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The third worst place to die, and the best place to die.

Discussion in 'Migrating to the Philippines' started by Methersgate, Oct 10, 2015.

  1. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

  2. oss
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    Bull (not your post Andrew)

    If you are in a position where you are sliding away slowly you will be cared for by your family, they will do everything they possibly can for you, ok you might not have Morphine to relieve the pain but you also probably won't spend so long in pain, you won't be in an aseptic room full of machines with people you don't know and don't give a damn about and who don't give a damn about you.

    When you pass on you will be treated with respect, and later people will come to your concrete bone box as shown in the picture every first of November and spend all day remembering you.

    There is a view that human consciousness is but a meme, that we extend beyond our own bodies in the effect and impact we have on all those we interact with, in this world view you are never truly dead until all the memories are gone, in the Philippines that takes a long time!
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  3. Howerd
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    So, I think I have chosen the best place to die and the best person to be with when I do.
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  4. Timmers
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    I must say oss, I don't share your idea of leaving this world, when I go I want to be firstly surrounded by my family and secondly with machines to keep me alive, oh, and a fit Filipina nurse with a syringe full of morphine :)

    The concrete boxes are for the poor people, but I suppose you can say it doesn't really matter once you've passed away :)

    One thing I do like as you mentioned is the day out for the family when its the anniversary of your death, the wife's dad is buried in a family plot at the local cemetery in Paranaque and I've done the day out with candle lighting plus the picnic at the side of the grave, good day had by all I must say :)
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    Yes that's what I said, be surrounded with your family, the bit I disagree on is the prolongment of the misery by artificial means, and as you know I am the scientist type, I like technology but I don't see the point in spending months in a hospital, the reality of being in a hospital is that you are there on your own most of the time, your family are not with you, you are on your own unhappy and uncomfortable probably in a lot of pain, nothing to do, no way to enjoy the experience of being alive, so what's the point?

    Palliative care can last for months a great many months especially if they are doing all they can to keep you alive, by definition if the care is palliative you're gonna die!

    If you are at home with your family they are around you all day, yes you will spend time on your own but you will have the people that matter close and around you.

    As for the Morphine it's not that expensive if you have a few bob left you can probably afford some.

    The cemetery's there have large mausoleums if you have money, the same cemetery's have the bone boxes, in the UK our equivalent is the crematoriums ;) (for the poor people :)).
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    When you die, you die.

    Better to get it over with quick rather than lingering on in agony with everybody knowing you are about to die and injecting you with loads of stuff to prolong your suffering.
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    I tend agree with oss. The report only really considered the care offered by government agencies and charities etc. It completely ignored the loving care offered by the family on such times. In the UK the options to stay with a loved one in hospital are generally limited - in The Philippines quite the opposite - the family are expected to stay at hospital to provide that care. I know which I would prefer, even though this report probably did not even consider it.

    But we do have a pretty good palliative care system in the UK for cancer sufferers, but much of it is in the voluntary sector. My aunt started with palliative care for cancer over ten years before she died and thought the care she received was wonderful.
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    A bit of a depressing thread :(
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  9. knightstrike
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    Yes, I agree. Especially if you're not rich.

    Why continue to spend money for treatments, operations, when you know you'll die anyway (terminal illnesses)? That every single waking moment, you suffer pain. That every single visitor in your hospital room will pity you, tears flowing from their eyes and tell you if there's only something that they could do.

    And you're emaciated, with hair falling off from your scalp. I don't want that. I'd rather end myself instead.

    If I were in that condition, I would want to instead spend money for my loved ones. I would want to spend my last remaining days laughing and smiling with friends and family. Maybe do some stuff I've never done before but had always wanted to.

    I'd rather leave my loved ones and myself with the best of memories. I'd rather go out with a smile.
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    Nitrogen oxide I recon 36;33-46:00
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  11. florgeW
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    I have mine all planned out... when I die, I want to be cremated.. that would be here as I am based here.. then half of my ashes would remain in the UK (would be out somewhere in the garden), and half will be sent/shipped/personally delivered to the Philippines..
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  12. Dave_E
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    I want to plan my death,
    after it has happened.
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    I want my epitaph to read "See I told you I was Ill !!"*

    *Spike Milligan
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  15. Nicola Hickman
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    Hi, I 'm Nicky a mature student at Bristol University. I'm doing a masters study on women and men migrating from the Philippines, to live and work in the UK. I'm interested in the plans Filipino people have in older age, particularly where they plan to retire and where they want to be laid to rest- I was really interested by your comment-fancy a chat?
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    Yes I just found this and noticed that also .

    I see the thread is nearly three years old , so it's very likely deleted now

    Lots of other interesting topics on there , to read though .
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    This is a problem of aging links, the original content of the link will be on there but is now buried much further down the history, this happens on web sites that have not encoded the full navigation in the current visible URI so when someone copies and pastes the URI they don't realise that the positional information is only temporary.

    I just checked and I actually think the site that the link points to has been rebuilt, the URI did have a pretty detailed specification here it is

    Code:
    http://philippineslifestyle.com/blog/2015/10/10/philippines-one-of-the-worst-places-to-die-quality-of-death-study-says/
    They either no longer have the relevant article in their database or some idiot has recoded the path rules, what is happening is that the back end server page receives the request and can't identify the resource that is being pointed at then instead of throwing a proper error to tell the user that there is an issue with their request it is silently eating the error and redirecting to the home page, such a shame when someone clearly put in the effort to create a good navigation structure for them in the first place.
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    Nicola, they recoded the URI's here is the original story on that site which Andrew referred to in his opening post.

    http://philippineslifestyle.com/phi...st-places-to-die-says-quality-of-death-study/

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    http://philippineslifestyle.com/philippines-is-one-of-the-worst-places-to-die-says-quality-of-death-study/
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  20. Nicola Hickman
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    Thanks OSS : ) I worked in haematology and oncology care so very interesting to me. My thoughts ..drugs and technology are important but so are family and friends and everyone is different.
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