UK Visa and Passport (for a newborn baby) advice :)

that is one reason i decided not to fly over to the filis in 2015 when mine found out she had TB. her ex has several brothers living nearby. and i'm pretty sure they have no idea of my part in the picture. saving face and all that.

Alfie, that would be brilliant, how can we contact each other privately? The reason I think I could go to jail is because as I understand it, that is the law here.. If I am with a married lady the husband can file for adultery, with a jail sentence ensuing.. I am not very far from Lucena.. Thank you.

I have been in a relationship with a lovely lady from the Philippines for 4 years odd. At the start we we conversing online, videocalls every day, with my taking vacations to visit her every 6 months.
OK, so you saw her twice a year when you visited the Philippines for a "vacation".
This is correct, except without the inverted commas. It was a vacation, to see my partner.. We 'saw' each other every day on cam..

About 12 months ago I paid for and she brought a house, out in Quezon, and I have been living with her since June. She is married, and has 4 children by her husband.
What were you doing, paying for a married Skype pal who you see twice a year to buy a house?
Without knowing either of us, or the relationship we had, I find it very hard to accept your judgement of either of us.

She and her husband haven't been together for 5 years odd, although their kids live with us.
Are you sure, are you really sure?
Err, yes, I am REALLY sure...

Things were going very well for us, until my wife fell pregnant. Now that the news has got back to her husband, he is threatening us with filing a complaint of adultery against us, unless she goes back to him, with the kids.. My wife had mentioned something about this law when we first met, but she said it was unlikely that he would do such a thing. I was stupid enough to not look into this as a real possibility.
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Again, I am asking for advice, not judgements...

Now, I am looking for advice, firstly on getting my unborn child a UK passport..
## Is it your child??##
Yes..

He is to be born the end of July 2017, God willing.
He or She?
Read what I wrote... And why does this detail matter?

Does the fact that she is married to another guy make this process any more difficult?
Is that a Serious question???
Yes...

Any advice relating to steps I must take would be gratefully appreciated.
Run!
Thanks for taking the time to reply to me, although it was a total waste of time my reading it, as you offered me nothing of any use or value... I know I was stupid to get into this situation, a stranger pointing it out to me is of no use to anyone... You sound rather judgemental of 2 people you have never met and know very little about... Basically, if you have nothing helpful to say, kindly refrain from messaging me. Many thanks

I'm not asking about how to break the law, it seems I have done that already... Why do I need a DNA test result?

@jayson

you say in your OP you are now living in the filis. can i ask how you are funding your stay?
do you have a job there--or an income ?.. not being nosey--just trying to see the bigger picture.

if it is your long term plan to return to the UK--and bring your partner and kids over ?--do you understand the costs involved ?

or would you prefer to live in the filis ?

There's a very strong possibility that the Home Office will make that a requirement of any Passport application you make for the child as you are not married to the mother.

I am not going to repeat my reply to your identical opening message for another thread which you appear to have ignored.

That's a very good question and perfectly valid. I do hope, for his sake, that he's not earning any money (or in receipt of funds that could be interpreted as "income") whilst being a visitor. If he is then being a co-defendant in an adultery case could be the least of his problems.

The OP should pay heed to the fact that some of the more nationalistic members of the legal profession will use prolonged adultery (as in this case) and the resultant pregnancy as the basis for laying charges of Estafa against him: a case he, as a foreigner, almost certainly can not defend. Since the penalties upon conviction are severe, the mere threat of such a case usually suffices as a lever to extract large sums of money on an on-going basis.

I have just googled this and I am not sure how or why this would relate to me? Can you explain a little more? From the ten minutes I just spent reading about it, it seems to be the equivalent of fraud? Who would I potentially be defrauding and how?

I'm not intentionally ignoring anyone, it is just I have had a lot of replies. I am trying to get around to replying to everyone. Sorry if I have caused you offence

I am living in the Phillipines at present, I would prefer to stay living in the Philippines, if I could do so without the threat of a jail sentence looming over my head. But it would not be a bad thing if I were to have to move back to the UK with my Philippines family. I know it will be expensive, but I have a fair amount to draw on should I need it. The last thing I want is to leave my partner and child.. I have an income from the UK and my wife has and income from the Philippines.. The money is an issue but not a big one, the more pressing issue is would my already married wife and her kids be allowed to settle in the UK with me? Annulment. from what I have heard, is dependant on her husband being willing to sign the papers as well, which is not likely as far as I am lead to believe..

It's not just fraud... it's like "taking advantage"... Spanish word - to con, defraud, deceive...

The three specific designations for estafa cases include disloyalty or abuse of confidence, estafa through fraud, and estafa through false pretenses.

I guess selling the house and doing a runner might make things even worse.

Have you thought about trying to get to Indonesia?

O

k, but who would I be taking advantage of to be charged with this? If I have lawful earnings from the Philippines?

You really need to get a local lawyer to explain the laws of adultery and Estafa to you. Basically, your partner's husband could attempt to demonstrate that you have taken possession of something that belongs to him, have no intention of return that to him and you are causing him to lose face. That last point on its own quite often results in death.

Do you have a valid Work Visa and a Work Permit issued by the Department of Labor? Unless you can answer "yes" to both, you do not have "lawful earnings from the Philippines".

Sorry, I thought Estafa was regarding income.. You are right, I have no idea of this law, indeed had never heard of it until you mentioned it. So, the thing I may have taken possession of would be his wife and kids I guess? What do u mean results in death? Through the death penalty or through his own actions? Sorry for my ignorance, but that is indeed why I am here!

On a slightly different topic. You seem to be very knowledgeable about the Philippines.. To your knowledge, how many westerns are actually in Filipino jails as a result of adultery / estafa charges?

the point is---you wont be moving back to the UK with your family. without an annulment--which is by no means straightforward--you wont be able to bring your partner over. and as for HIS kids--without his consent--its not going to happen. so--would your new wife want to come over--and leave her kids behind?

In his (lawyer's) eyes, you are depriving him of his wife and children. A drive-by execution costs around Php15,000 - or so I'm reliably informed.

I've lived in the Philippines for almost ten years and have many friends who are lawyers or in law enforcement (Police or Immigration officers). I know of several foreigners who have served time for adultery: they've all been either American or German; no Brits - they and Australians are more likely to be pornographers or "kiddie-fiddlers" or (hard) drug dealers. Unfortunately. For every one foreigner jailed, probably ten or more lose their lives in a revenge killing as Filipinos don't trust the law which they see as being biased towards the rich.

Interesting...I have 15000P spare...

As little as p5000 actually.

i refer you to my reply--number 3--on your parallel thread. i wasnt joking.

You may well have but nobody here is suggesting what you do with that 15k or 5k or whatever amount of course.