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Which is really the nasty party?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Aug 30, 2017.

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Which is the nasty party?

  1. Conservatives

    44.4%
  2. Labour

    33.3%
  3. Lib Dems

    44.4%
  4. Scots Nats

    11.1%
  5. Plaid Cymru

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Greens

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. All of the above

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. None of the above

    11.1%
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  1. Markham
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    Katie Glass, a columnist for the Sunday Times, contributed this last Sunday:

    "I would rather spend a night with the Mogginator than endure a soy latte with Laura Pidcock. Most of Jacob Rees-Mogg’s voting record appalls me, but at least he’d be a laugh and rather more charming than the Labour MP Pidcock. She informed us last week she had “absolutely no intention of being friends” with Tories because they’re “the enemy”. Which sounds like the ridiculous fighting talk of someone who’s been playing too much Call of Duty rather than the sentiments of an elected MP.

    Pidcock, the member for North West Durham, says she would never “hang out” with Conservative women, who are “no friends of mine”. She followed this up by tweeting the message that “it’s visceral. I’m not interested in being cosy with Tories”. Well, that’s going to disappoint her local WI.

    I’m not militant about who I’ll hang out with. I’m as easy with leftie, lentil-munching fake hippies as with blue-blood Tory boys. I’m as comfortable at the Glastonbury festival as at . . . well, other parts of the Glastonbury festival.

    Still, hearing Pidcock reminded me why I’d rather be friends with Conservatives. Tories always get their round in and are much less judgmental, partly because they are so much more confident about their own views.

    Right now I’m staying in the house of a One Nation Tory who bakes bread for me every night in his Aga. It sure beats the time I went to stay with my “leftie” mates and they spent the whole week slagging off my job, even as they suggested I “expense” the drinks.

    I feel increasingly alienated by lefties who call themselves liberal, but refuse to listen to different opinions; who claim to be compassionate, but use the smallest political difference — or none at all — as an excuse to resort to personal abuse.

    At its “funniest” it’s hearing people joke about dancing on Margaret Thatcher’s grave or finding T-shirts with the Nye Bevan quote about Tories being “lower than vermin” for sale on leftie websites such as RedMolotov, with text in the shape of a rat. At its worst it means watching the hard left viciously troll the soft left on social media, particularly if their targets are female and Jewish.

    It is no less distasteful when their victims are unappealing, as when Owen Jones, a Guardian columnist, tweeted “few things more beautiful” alongside a video of the US alt-right activist Jason Kessler being swung at violently by a mob.

    How would Pidcock respond to someone spouting such offensive nonsense towards any other group? She’d (rightly) call it hate speech. Yet look how Amina Lone, a Muslim Labour councillor in Manchester, has been treated by her own side after daring to speak out against the abuse of children by grooming gangs. She has been barred from standing for re-election after seven years on the council because of her “outspoken” campaigning for gender equality within the Muslim community.

    The Tories are supposed to be the Nasty Party, but it’s hard to believe in Corbyn’s “kinder politics” while listening to chants of “Tory scum”. I can’t trust a movement where actions don’t match words. If you’re going to bang on about how caring you are, that compassion must be inclusive. As the Labour MP Jess Phillips bluntly observed, when it comes to sexism, left-wing men are the “actual worst”.

    After the murder of MP Jo Cox proved political rhetoric had real consequences, Pidcock should be ashamed for peddling what the Tory MP Nadine Dorries rightly calls the “politics of hate”. You have to build a rapport to wield influence in a parliamentary democracy. It takes cross-party collaboration and adult debate.

    This is, after all, how Corbyn justifies sharing a platform with terrorists. If the Labour leader can talk to Hamas and the IRA, can’t Pidcock give Norma Major a chance?"

    From Pidcock's own mouth, we can assume that she'd refuse to help a Tory-voting constituent who turns up at one of her surgeries. "For the many ....". Empty words, emptier promises.

    That, of course, follows Amina Lone's deselection as a Labour councillor, the sacking of Sarah Champion and the insightful comments about Labour's sexism by Jess Phillips. During the general election campaign, Labour candidates known to disagree with the leader - and in particular, female candidates - were the targets of vile personal abuse on their social media accounts by hard-left activists. These activists variously hate and distrust newspapers, tv and radio because they can't be anonymous as they can with non-mainstream media outlets like Twitter and Facebook.

    And now this:

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    Jess Phillips won't be the last to be deselected: I doubt she's even the last before Labour's Conference. All moderates will be targeted - the so-called "Red Tories" including (especially) leadership potentials such as Ummuna and Jarvis. The sad fact is that the hard left now control Labour's NEC following the resignation last night of its Scottish leader, Kezia Dugdale, a moderate and outspoken critic of Jeremy Corbyn.

    The Tories undoubtedly were the nasty party who deserved to lose the 1997 election. Labour is far more deserving of that accolade.
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  2. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    But the Tories are even nastier now that they have absorbed all the racists from UKIP.
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  3. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Politics is getting nasty these days,

    Anybody who voted for Brexit (the majority of the voters) is classed as racist, zenophobic, dumb, uneducated, old, sick, hobbling around on a zimmer frame, and worse, by politically active extremists, by those sponsored by or brainwashed by the EU, by those who are inexperienced and easily led.

    "Hope they will die soon then we can have another referendum to overturn the democratic vote".

    Doubtless a view that you share Andrew. Look in the mirror, you should be ashamed of yourself.
  4. Bowler
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    Bowler Banned

    You have missed one party out. I wonder why?
  5. Markham
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    I don't believe that is true. Ukip's vote collapsed at the June general election; it was Labour that benefited not the Tories. If former kippers had returned to the Tories, we'd probably not have had a hung-parliament and May would not have had to do a deal with the UDP.

    I believe we can safely say that Labour's kipper returnees and Labour voters who voted leave must be seething with anger at Corbyn's latest flip-flop betrayal. He's already betrayed young voters, now he's betraying his leave supporters - of which there are many.
  6. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    I've missed-out many more than one. I have only included those that hold and take-up their seats Westminster seats.
  7. Bowler
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    Bowler Banned

    Oh yes. I forgot. Said nasty party is a dead one.
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  8. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Your so self obsessedDave E:)
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  9. KeithAngel
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    Doing her job holding the thieving tories to account​
    https://www.thecanary.co/2017/08/30...-defiant-ignorance-families-extreme-hardship/
  10. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Nasty Party is in the lead:rolleyes:
  11. Markham
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    Momentum member Nadeem Ahmed, who threatened to run a deselection campaign against Jess Phillips, has been expelled from the Labour Party. Ahmed had been falsely claiming that Phillips "is racist", demanding she apologise (for what? Being a woman? Being a moderate?) or he would "start deselection process" and boasting "Momentum is powerful force".

    Unfortunately for him he also backed George Galloway ahead of the Labour candidate in Gorton, in obvious breach of party rules.

    Turns out the Labour compliance unit is also a powerful force!
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