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Why vegan is the fastest growing food movement in the world

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by aposhark, Oct 27, 2019.

  1. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Still are in some places, seen purple carrots in afghan/Pakistan marketplaces.
  2. Anon220806
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    And plastered all over the Lascaux Caves no doubt...:lol:
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  3. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    And Tesco
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  4. Anon220806
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    Mitigation
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    I accept his points but the oil and gas industry is not the consumer of the end product they are not the power provider that is releasing the stored energy in that fuel so how to you get them to pay for carbon capture that has to happen way down the food chain (power stations, cars), tax them?

    Also this is kicking the can down the road, the oil and gas are going to run out it's not an infinite resource and if you try to switch to the clathrates to extend the hydrocarbon era, mining it is nothing like drilling for oil or gas.

    You also have to deal with the energy cost of carbon capture which will be substantial and could easily push the total fossil fuel cycle cost above renewable energy sources, a barrel of oil has x amount of energy if you are going to capture the carbon you have to conjure up the energy to do that from somewhere which is going to be a proportion of the stored energy in that barrel of oil or ton of coal or cubic metre of natural gas.

    It is mitigation yes and we need all of that for so long as we still have supplies of fossil fuels but the oil and gas industry will never reach 100% capture, it will help but it is not the long term answer, just like we can't bet that one day fusion will work, fusion might never work, renewables well they have their problems too mainly how you can scale renewables to the capacity required but at least if you find a way to do that you have freed yourself from the tyranny of fossil sunlight which is absolutely 100% going to run out.
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  6. Anon220806
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    My bet is on it not running out sometime soon. It is my belief that we will collectively reverse things in the nick of time :D and that being so we will end up leaving the stuff that’s left, in the ground.
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    Steam reformation is a non starter it's no cleaner than oil and gas, I wasn't talking about that route.

    The problem is that logistics, transport as such uses something like a third of all our energy today can't remember the exact number but it's close and even if we had started building Nuclear stations globally at the rate of one every few days and had started 20 years ago we still could not have built enough to replace the energy consumed by just cars and trucks alone whether we used electrolysis of water and hydrogen fuel cells to run electric cars and trucks or we used hydrogen combustion engines, although fuel cells are a way more efficient way to use the hydrogen.

    But given the scale of the problem we will never be able to scale the battery technology we need unless we ditch batteries and use Hydrogen/Oxygen fuel cells in electric cars and that needs the construction of a huge global network of hydrogen distribution and that's what we should have started on but Musk took the easy route to get his car company started.

    I have no objection to Nuclear it's safe we need it and we need it everywhere had we gone into it big time we could have provided some mitigation for the required run down of the hydrocarbon industry but I think we are too late and as I mentioned earlier the UK has rejected a Hydrogen distribution network in favour of Lithium battery tech for electric vehicles.

    And back on topic Hydrogen fuel cell tech in the logistics chain would help clean up your meat production but even then meat production is still a very inefficient way to use energy to produce food for humans no matter how healthy it might be.

    Ultimately to feed the world and provide protein we will be resorting to insect protein as we can scale that to meet the demands of the future human population.

    As you say John we won't be around to see the outcome.
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    Edit: I finished the article a moment or two ago the pyrolysis mechanism is interesting, there are other potential ways to produce hydrogen in large quantities but I would not object to this technique of using Nuclear directly.
  10. Anon220806
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    Yes. It looks like nuclear generated H2
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    nonegg.
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  16. Anon220806
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    I saw this recently. Incredible eh. Does anybody stop to consider what nutrients are in an egg and why? And then compared that with the alternative version? It isn’t rocket science but for some it obviously is.
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    Stop being so pompous, John, it is so tiresome.
    You post a lot of informative things but why sometimes add barbed comments? People can make up their own minds on what they choose to believe.
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  18. Druk1
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    I ain't a rocket scientist, BUT, I certainly did ;) Screenshot_20220419_052003.jpg
  19. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Did you try it, Druk1?
  20. Druk1
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    No, I bought real eggs, I want to crack a shell, not pop a bottle top.
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