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Absurd Requirements for Philippine Passport Holder

Discussion in 'Rant and Rave' started by knightstrike, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. knightstrike
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    knightstrike Well-Known Member

    One of the reasons why if you are eligible to get a passport from a first-world country such the UK, US, and Australia then get one.

    A friend of mine once told me that when it comes to the Immigration queue, 'It's not who you are, it's what passport you are holding.'

    http://kickerdaily.com/woman-gets-offloaded-by-immigration-official-who-demanded-ridiculous-docs/

    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/stor...0-pinoys-get-offloaded-at-naia-1-every-day-bi

    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/stor...oea-bar-pinoy-pro-gamers-from-leaving-country

    http://www.thepoortraveler.net/2014/03/offloaded-philippine-immigration-rules-requirements-airport/#

    THREE to FOUR of the 50 people who get offloaded actually had legitimate reasons but were still not allowed to leave.
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  2. Bootsonground
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    Remember!!..
    Filipino`s are not being offloaded or prevented from boarding international flights because they have done anything wrong..Oh no..These are simply rescue (anti trafficking)operations to save them from themselves..
    Or is this more to do with the "crab mentality" culture that I have always being told about in the Philippines?...Hmmmmm.
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  3. knightstrike
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    I'm not saying that some of the Pinoys being off-loaded did not have it coming. Some of them indeed are being save from themselves, saved from becoming undocumented workers/illegal migrants in other countries--prone to being abused.

    But there are lots of Pinoys who have valid reasons to travel, and have valid documents and such but still being held up unjustly at Immigration queues.

    I, for one, when I first traveled to Australia as a tourist, was held up by officials. They asked me questions like if I'm a seaman, if I'll be working there illegally, my reasons for travelling, my funds, etc. I have all the documents with me: passport, visa, invitation letter, return ticket, etc. I was delayed a good ten minutes. This happened to in Australia as well, when I was on my way back here. Aussie immigration held me up and asked too if I was a seaman.

    I must have the look of a pirate or sea dweller. Hahahahahahah...

    I cannot say for sure that it's crab mentality. Crab mentality by the way is, in simple terms 'envy' of other people. It's when you see other people more well-off, more skilled, luckier, more good-looking, etc. than you are, and you try to bring them down because you hate seeing all that.
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  4. Bootsonground
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    I would understand it more if the R.P had a social benefit system that the poor trying desperately to escape poverty (but instead being rescued) could qualify for..
    Everybody here hears the rumours of enslavement and abusive employers abroad and of course it does happen..Perhaps often.
    Those attempting an escape from their hopeless lives here obviously think its worth the risk.
    I say if they are adults,they should be free to choose their own path and destiny.. Its called being free!!
  5. knightstrike
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    Social benefits do come...

    During campaign periods and election time. Hahahahha...

    Vote for a candidate, you get free food, vaccinations, money, etc. I heard Binay is very generous when it comes to those, complete with free transport to the nearest election halls even.

    But I do get what you say that if you're an adult, you should be in charge of your own decisions. But it's also annoying when those undocumented/illegal migrants get in trouble overseas then ask for government help, when they have already been warned about the risks.
    And when the government is unable to do anything, they blame them.

    Nanawagan po kami kay Pangulong Noynoy. Mahal na pinuno, tulungan niyo po kami! (I'm calling out for President Noynoy. Beloved leader, please help us!)

    You should always reap what you sow.
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  6. Anon220806
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    Knightstrike. I didnt know it was called "offloading" until recently. What I do know is that this syndrome has been a problem for Filipinas leaving for the UK, in the past. I havent heard any recent examples of it happening to our wives and fiances recently.
  7. knightstrike
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    That's great then. Law of Averages perhaps or since your wives have UK spousal visas which is hard and tedious to acquire (with all the security checks), immigration officials would be in trouble if ever they still hinder them.

    I don't know, but I hope it continues.

    Click the links and read if you have the time. You'll know more about off-loading.
  8. Bootsonground
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    I guess you are right.. Didn't think about that.
    Carry on off loading!! lol.
  9. knightstrike
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    Hahhahaha... Don't get me wrong though.

    I'm not campaigning for or against off-loading. It has its pros and cons. I just wish that it's not so obsessive. When a Pinoy is exiting the country, with all the required documents, don't hold him/her up. Don't power-trip if you're in that sort of thing.

    Some people do follow all the procedures to work and earn a better living for their family. Don't put them down just because of your own personal agenda, if you do have one.

    And if you're an illegal worker/migrant, don't cry and blame people when you become abused or encounter problems outside the country. You should know the risks that you took, and reap what you saw. Take it like an adult.
  10. Anon220806
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    Its the over zealous offloading or the corruption that is masquerading as offloading that is the problem.
  11. Methersgate
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    I know a man who works in IT who was traveling to KL from Clark to instal one of his company's systems in the office of a big Malaysian company when he got offloaded.
  12. King Herald
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    A little too much 'crab mentality' I reckon. Every day immigration guys see their fellow countrymen being 'lucky' enough to leave the country, travel abroad, earn money etc etc, and nobody can deny there will be a certain amount of jealousy and vindictiveness going around.

    As we all know, crab mentality is rife in the PI, almost a tradition, nobody wants to see anybody else succeed in the PI.......
  13. knightstrike
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    I know. There is this story from the wife of one of my neighbours.

    The man works for the oil industry, an engineer and a manager at that. One day, he went out shopping at a Filipino Thrift Store for pasalubongs with one of his mates, a Middle Eastern. This mate of his is an electrician, and actually one of his subordinates. They were wearing Barong Tagalog and Middle Eastern garb respectively.

    The moment that they arrived, the Pinoys working at the store flocked towards the Middle Eastern man, regaling him stories about the Philippines and enticing him to buy. There was even a Pinay who flirted with the man.

    The Pinoy engineer did not pay heed to it, and just went about shopping. When it was time for both men to pay for the goods at the counter, the counter chic/clerk asked the Pinoy,

    'Kababayan, swerte mo naman diyan sa boss mo. Mukhang mayaman ah at ang daming pinabili.
    (Fellow country man, you are so lucky with your boss. He looks very rich and he bought a lot of things.')

    'Dami niya nga binili.'
    (Indeed, he bought a lot of things.)

    The counter chic then turned towards the other man.

    'Sir, will you be paying separate or both for your driver as well?'

    The Middle Eastern became abashed, looked at his friend, and quickly replied.

    'No, no, he's not my driver. Where did you get that? Actually, he's my boss and offered to treat me with all of these as a promotion gift.'
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    On a related note, another reason that if you're a Pinoy and eligible to get a passport from a first-world country, then do so.

    http://kickerdaily.com/filipina-x-factor-israel-winner-may-face-deportation/

    Once you become old, and unable to work as an OFW anymore (because of your health or stiff competition from younger applicants), and have not secured residency from the country you have been working at, then you will have no choice but to go back to the Philippines.

    If you have save enough money, then great. But what if not? Pension is almost non-existent here in the Philippines. Couple that with high inflation rates, the corruption and the bureaucracy. Suddenly, all the hardships that you went through are all for naught.
  15. King Herald
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    And it is not always a 'mistake' either.... ;)

    There was a bit of drama a half dozen years ago in the UK, as a whole mess of Filipino carers were having to leave the UK and be basically deported, as they'd worked there for 20 plus years but made no attempt to gain residence of any sort, just lived in work visas, then overstayed. They were all upset and hurt because they were being kicked out after so long paying tax and working there, had families, children etc. Imagine if the tables were turned, and it were Brits in the PI with 10 or 20 years overstay.........

    Plus we have NO chance of getting citizenship, or passport, or owning land, voting etc..... The crabs are strong there too, they want our money, but we don't get much in return, unlike the Pinoy in the UK can, and does. My Pinay wife has UK passport, worked there, paid tax, owns land, voted, but I will always be a tourist in the PI.
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  16. Anon220806
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    There was a similar example in the UK a few years ago. Not a winner but a strong contestant. She and her mother were deported (African home country) halfway into the competition.
  17. Anon220806
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    Have you planned your travels yet, Knight?
  18. Anon220806
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    Obviously a big drawback to living in the Philippines. My thinking is that you would have to stay on good terms with your wife under such circumstances. :D You could not afford to fall out :D
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    Yes, every thing is all set. I'm off to London (Heathrow airport) in August, spend two days there then train to Wales. Then from there, make my way by bus to Swansea.

    I've got a job offer at a university. Also I had already spoken to a landlord, about a flat that I saw while Googling.

    The university also told me they'll guide me regarding tax file number, NHS, etc.

    So I'm just waiting now. I've resigned from my job too. July for me will be a time for friends and family farewell.

    So the beautiful ginger ladies of Wales better prepare themselves! Hahahhahahaha...

    The simple reason why as a foreigner, you cannot own a property here in the Philippines is because, if the government allows it then Filipinos will become 'outsiders' in their own country. Foreigners with higher purchasing power will buy all the land and properties. Most of us will become 'tenants' in our own country.

    At least as a foreigner, when you buy your family property and land, the title will be under your wife's or children's name. Still in Filipino hands. I know it's a bit unfair and hard to really understand since you're a Brit, but it's a way to protect the Philippines and the Filipinos.

    Just imagine if all wealthy Chinese bought Filipino lands, they'll call this country, 'Philippine Republic of China.'


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  20. KeithAngel
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    Nice try but it doesnt add up quiet apart from the very wealthy Pinoys who own huge tracts of land and thus inflate the price it would be very easy allow legal residents to own there own house and the plot size could easily be specified to, if you married to a Filipino then there should be no discrimination can you imagine the outrage in the UK when every one of joint nationality was treated the same? If it was up to me I would prevent capital leaving the UK from OFW untill the playing field was levelled I would also reciprocate the reserved occupations good for the goose.....:p
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