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Civil disobedience..........

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Aromulus, Feb 4, 2017.

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  1. Markham
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    Certainly some of its politicians do precisely that!! However Clegg was and is an opportunist. The then Labour government was against a referendum on Europe - even though Blair promised the electorate one at least twice during his premiership - and the Tories were split. Clegg thought that by supporting a Referendum he'd attract pro-referendum Tory and Labour supporters to vote Lib Dem in 2010. Later, in coalition, he lied by claiming that the Lib Dems were not in favour of a referendum. But two of that party's current roster of MPs disagree with the leadership.
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    If there is one thing that I detest it is political "dynasties", be they the Wedgwood Benns, the Clintons or anyone else (this includes almost the entire membership of the House and the Senate in Manila, of course!)
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    Trump has seen what is happening in Europe. Armed police everywhere, to protect the citizens.
    Another terrorist attack only yesterday.

    How many other first world countries have open borders, letting in all and sundry, or just weak vetting of visa applications ? Terrorists revel in such stupidity.

    Not only were hundreds of American lives lost in pointless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but now the naive fools in Europe and the USA want to risk the families and fellow citizens of the dead and injured coming under threat from the supporters of Islam every day... in their own countries.
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    Trump probably has in his mind a desired position and a will accept position as that will be better than what he believes he has got now.
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    I want to see him and his wife on the world stage every day of every week plenty of news coverage for Mrs Trump sorry I meant Mr Trump
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    Trump realises that the citizens of countries he has banned entry have not threatened or committed any terrorist attacks in the US, he is just making a bold statement of intent, a warning shot if you like.

    Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do in his Presidential campaign, I'm sure he has a lot of support from the people who elected him and that's all that counts, he was elected democratically after all.

    Bold action is required to address the threat of terrorism.
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    It was stated on (I think, as I was dozing) the 'Today' radio programme this morning, that support for him in the US was increasing.

    I suppose they like somebody who practises what he preaches. :like:
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    A politician who keeps his word. How quaint! I can't see it catching-on mind you but perhaps someone should tell a certain Mr Clegg about this aberration ;)
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    This is the guy that finances "Black lives matter" and the Anti Trump activists.. A dangerous character IMO.

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    :D shocking (the wee lassie) but very funny.
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    I disagree. Nothing funny or clever about a stream of expletives. No wonder that TV station has such a low audience share - just 2.1% for 2016.
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    Who's being politically correct now ;)

    Language even with expletives is used to make a point, the expletives are there yes but there is a lot more message in there than just the expletives.

    There was only one that I really did not feel acceptable particularly coming from the mouth of a child and that was the 'c' word, not comfortable with the wee lassie swearing thing at all to be honest, but it was very funny.

    I guess you didn't like Billy Connolly either :)
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    The other day I was in our local bar..One of the locals is a German called Harold..
    An Englishman walked in,saw Harold and did a Nazi salute and marched through the bar.
    Harold put his hand over his face and looked a bit upset at the Englishman's antics..
    Then he said he felt "insulted" because his very own father had died in Auschwitz..
    I said,"Harold,thats terrible..What happened to him"?
    He removed his hands from his face and said"..... He got drunk on Whiskey and fell off the watch tower"..

    Some very strange characters over here!!
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    Actually swearing in public has been 'non-U' for considerably longer than political correctness has been in vogue - and I'm not talking about the upper classes' opinions since many of them think it's frightfully modern - 'right-on' - and cute to swear and do so far more than those lower down the pecking order.

    That video is a classic example of just how badly out of touch the liberal elite has become that it believes it needs to speak in expletive-ridden couplets to get its message across to the common man. That is patronising beyond belief and is why Americans, Britons and Filipinos have bloodied liberal noses out of frustration over the last twelve months and why voters in Holland, France and Germany are set to do the same. There is a definite shift away from liberalism evident throughout Europe.

    That the video appears to be aimed at a British audience is especially insulting, given the broadcaster's domicile.

    As a matter of fact I do quite like Billy Connolly although I've not been to any of his live club performances but enjoyed his documentaries. However I have seen Jim Davidson live including at a private performance for a group of coppers (British and international) in the early '80s, so swearing in the name of comedy isn't an entirely alien concept to me.
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    I guess some of you won't like Roy 'Chubby' Brown then. :eek:
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    :eek::lol: at 45 seconds one use of the 'F' word in a very tongue in cheek self deprecating way, 1 minute 43 the use of the word 'balls', I have seen much worse in the humour threads on here :D

    At 3 minutes 22 seconds after a very well delivered humorous message, you get the angry summary delivered by a child which like it or not was effectively delivered, that lasts till 3:50 with a few sweary words thrown in but a powerful retort to the politics of hatred, people are allowed to be angry about things like that, the remainder of the piece till 4 minutes 25 had no swearing.

    So you are complaining about around 30 seconds out of 4 and a half minutes.
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    I find most modern humour really dull in particular the humour that seems to be based on nothing but bad language, I found a lot of what Connolly did in terms of stand up to be poor in later years but I have seen him live in Paisley folk club when he just turned up one night and he was hysterically funny.
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    Could the message have been put across just as effectively without resorting to expletives? Was there any need to involve a child in this - given her the content of her lines, I consider this to be manipulative and cynical exploitation; I really doubt you'd agree to a child of yours being used for something similar.

    I am not simply complaining about that eleven percent. I object to being talked-down to by someone who, because they are liberal (with a small "l") consider themselves to automatically occupy some moral high ground and are, somehow, better than the rest of us. How many times have we to bloody liberal noses with, for example, electoral defeat or by vanquishing their precious institutions (such as the Euro or the EU) before they finally get the message?
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