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EU REFERENDUM

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by mufc69, May 16, 2016.

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Should the UK Leave or Remain in the European Union?

  1. Remain

    9 vote(s)
    31.0%
  2. Leave

    20 vote(s)
    69.0%
  1. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Britain's social welfare provision dates back to 1598 with the first of the Poor Laws. That's a year or two before the EU was conceived, I believe :like:. In fact, our own governments have introduced the vast bulk of social welfare provision over several centuries without any prompting by any outside agency. The EU is responsible for very little by comparison.

    Paid holiday came into being by means of the Bank Holidays Act 1871 and entitlement was increased by the Holidays With Pay Act, 1938. Nor does the EU have anything to do with the introduction of Maternity Pay as it was introduced by a Conservative government's Employment Rights Act, 1996. Successive British governments are responsible for almost all the important social welfare provisions we enjoy including the NHS, State Pensions, Legal Aid and Council Housing.

    "Fair Treatment" - meaning what, exactly?
  2. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    More evidence that Cameron is not telling us the truth about Turkey ...


    We need a Pinocchio emoticon!
  3. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    From Lord Astor, David Camerons father in law................

    Scroll, to nearly the end of the article.

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  4. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    If Brexit happens and it is not implemented, there will be a massive backlash IMO.
    It doesn't bear thinking about and I don't think the government would take such a risk.
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  5. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Unreal and most of the Lords are....
  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I dont often find the Mail reassuring but thats a relief Dom:)
  7. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I never find that the Mail reassures me on anything :eek:
  8. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Me not either the exception that proves the rule i guess:)
  9. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest

    That`s British democracy for you..A house full of un elected Lords support of our un elected law makers in the E.U parliament!
    There will be unrest and riots but in the grand scheme of things in constructing this new world order,nothing significant! A mere blip..
  10. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    This follows on from what pro-Remain MPs on all sides have been saying recently with Stephen Kinnock somewhat bizarrely claiming that a vote to Leave doesn't actually mean that.
  11. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    The EU Parliament is elected and very democratically too:)
  12. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest

    I thought that institutions like the global bank and industry lobbied un elected E.U Commissioners to set policies and that elected MEP`s can only amend them at best ..I also thought that The E.U Parliament MEP`s cannot propose or reject laws that come down directly from the un elected Commission??
    Is that incorrect?
    Can The electorate vote to remove un elected commissioners?
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  13. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Quite right. The European Parliament can not create new legislation of its own accord but, as you say, is restricted into making minor amendments. It does, however, have the power of veto in certain areas, hence Cameron's so-called agreement struck with the Council of Ministers has to be examined and those parts relating to freedom of movement - or other core tenets - will be unceremoniously struck out.

    We, the people, do not have the power to remove Commissioners or any of the five Presidents.
  14. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    So today I was delivering in central London a class of children walk past not a white amongst them, ah well I thought just a one off about 10 minutes later another class and not a white face to be seen
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  15. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Whilst there may be some true in that sentence, expressing such a view exposes the writer to the risk of being labelled a racist.
  16. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I was addressing what you said Boots not trying to imagine what you mean:)
  17. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    It was an observation that's all
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  18. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Non Whites are still something of a novelty in our population centers John much like long noses in the Filipines Provinces

    But since colour is irrelevant to folk like us good oh

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  19. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I also think the word your looking for is truth not true!
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  20. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Banged to rights! In my defence I submit that my reply originally started with the words "What you write may be true ...". In my haste, I omitted to edit the final word.

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