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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by oss, Oct 19, 2014.

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  1. oss
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  2. Anon220806
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    Looks interesting. I had a quick flick through, last night. I need to sit down quietly and watch the whole thing.
  3. Maharg
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    I watched it. To be honest, it came across as too much of an unbalanced stitch up.
  4. Timmers
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    That was my initial thought too, I didn't make it to the end of the programme for that very reason, the BBC are usually balanced but not in this case.
  5. Anon220806
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    :D
  6. oss
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    Well I'd be very interested to hear the balanced version, to me this just looked like a detailed bit of investigative journalism, if the points they were making cannot be backed up I would have expected a strong rebuttal on the TV somewhere, or at least a desire for them to put their side of the argument on this programme?

    The lack of desire to put their side either implies that they have no answer to the points raised or that they believe that one of the most well-respected current affairs programmes on television would not publish their defence on the issues raised?

    I am not blind to occasional poor journalism, Panorama have made stupid programmes in the past, a climate change documentary being one example, but to me this particular programme did not feel to me like a 'Stitch Up', it just asked some very awkward questions.
  7. Maharg
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    It did to me. Just the way it was presented made it look unconvincing to me.

    I don't like UKIP at all. I don't trust them. I think their anti immigrant stance is unpleasant and I find it threatening.

    I would love to see them brought down to size. I knew while watching this that no such thing would happen ad a result of this programme.

    You can see how their supporters think. Poor old Nigel getting picked on by the establishment. All this would have done is reinforced their thinking.

    The lack of any real effect from this programme shows it never had the effect it was supposed to have.

    Meanwhile I think I'm going to have to reluctantly vote Lib Dem a they seem to be the only party who talk about immigrants as though they are human beings.
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    The best thing about UKIP is what we are all seeing on the news at the moment, Cameron being pushed into trying to limit Eastern Europeans from coming to the UK, without UKIP on scene this wouldn't be happening. We need some sort of points based system in place to get only highly skilled workers from the old eastern block, the low skilled people can stay at home.
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    We should look after British workers first, charity begins at home :)

    Which reminds me, the missus will be applying for her NI number tomorrow so I'm going to be a hypocrite :lol:
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    Worse than the present government's? I hardly think so; Ukip proposes a points-based visa system based on that used in Australia which is far, far fairer that what we have at present. And watch out, Mrs May is about to announce further restrictions and those can only affect non-EU applicants. The Conservatives are the nasty party as far as immigration is concerned.

    Whereas Labour would lift the current restrictions and simply re-open the flood gates again.
  11. Anon220806
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    :D
  12. Anon220806
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    Anybody heard the UKIP Calypso Song yet? :D
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    Just being helpful, John :D And just for you, John - coz I know he's your new BFF :lol: - here are the lyrics:

    Taxpayers’ money where does it go? Not even George Osborne knows, when we're in power and we engage, there will be no tax on the minimum wage.
    Leaders committed a cardinal sin, open the borders let them all come in, illegal immigrants in every town, stand up and be counted Blair and Brown.
    Oh yes, when we take charge, and the new prime minister is Farage, we can trade with the world again when Nigel is at No. 10.

    The British people have been let down, that’s why Ukip is making ground, from Crewe to Cleethorpes, outer Hendon, they don't believe Cameron's referendum.
    Coalition could be a fact, with any party we could make a pact, stop telling lies about us do, and we’ll stop telling the truth about you.
    Oh yes, when we take charge, and the new prime minister is Farage, we can trade with the world again when Nigel is at No. 10.

    Though our pensions scheme is in a mess, we need money for the NHS, to Jean-Cleade Juncker we’re giving away £55m a day.
    Oh what a farce he won the vote, this is my favourite Juncker quote, he looked a reporter straight in the eye and said “when things get serious it's time to lie”.
    Oh yes, when we take charge, and the new prime minister is Farage, we can trade with the world again when Nigel is at No. 10.

    The EU live in wonderland, tried to ban bent bananas and British jam, we don't want jam the EU way, jam yesterday tomorrow but never today
    The daily polls suggest somehow, Ukip are the third party now, in the euro elections we were so immersed, we weren't the third party we were the first
    Oh yes, when we take charge, and the new prime minister is Farage, we can trade with the world again when Nigel is at No. 10.

    With the government sitting on the fence, Ukip policy makes more sense, to get out of Europe is our target, Commonwealth not common market.
    Other parties please take note, Ukip is not a protest vote, so mark your cross and by word of mouth, tell them what to do in Thanet South.
    Oh yes, when we take charge, and the new prime minister is Farage, we can trade with the world again when Nigel is at No. 10.

    With the EU we must be on our mettle, want to change our lawnmowers and our kettles, our hairdryers, smart phones and vacuum cleaners, but Ukip is wise to their misdemeanours.
    Farage likes his fags and beer, but there is one thing I want to get clear, now I like Nigel, he’s a friend of mine, but he appears more than Dimbleby on Question Time.
    Oh yes, when we take charge, and the new prime minister is Farage, we can trade with the world again when Nigel is at No. 10.

    The other parties will count the cost, in Eastleigh, Thanet, Thurrock and Boston, Labour and Tories shaking in their boots when Ukip kick them up the grass roots.
    Meanwhile down at Clacton-on-Sea, Ukip are making history, Douglas Carswell, we're quite adamant, will be the first MP in parliament.
    Oh yes, when we take charge, and the new prime minister is Farage, we can trade with the world again when Nigel is at No. 10.
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  14. Dave_E
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    Is it Number One in the charts?
  15. Maharg
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    Yet another desperate attempt by Mike Read to get a hit single! He'll manage it one day.
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    Yes. Worse than the current government. And I can't stand the current government. One thing they do have, though, is a degree of accountability.

    My problem with UKIP goes deeper than policy. On the face of it, the Australian points system which they claim to be in favour of seems ok. What gets me about them is that, to me (and it may be a gross over reaction on my part, I accept that) they come across as a real danger to society. Should they get elected I genuinely fear for this country.

    I don't like the current government (or any of the poitical parties particuarly) but the don't scare me. UKIP scare me.

    UKIP just "feel" to me like a loose cannon and someone who would almost immediately lose Britain any remaining respect it has in the world. That's what it is. Feel. Based on nothing but my gut. And no figures, policy announcements or anything like that are likely to change my opinion based on where UKIP are coming from.

    As I say, I may be wrong. But I feel that about them and I don't like them. The immigration thing goes deeper than policy. They are a far right party and their message is one that has attracted NL, BNP and EDL supporters.
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  17. Anon220806
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    Farage. He is such a geezer!
  18. oss
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    Yes I agree.

    Hitler did not create the situation in Germany he took advantage of the emotional environment, the little prejudices that everyone has to some extent and he focused and amplified those prejudices while constructing a rational that made all the policies he brought in seem acceptable to the German people at that time.

    I don't think any of the guys on here that support UKIP are fascist, or racist, and I think that is probably true for the majority of UKIP voters, I think a most are just patriotic Brits that have a strong desire for what seem like simple solutions, but there is no guarantee that UKIP will not subvert the political capital they gain if large numbers vote for them and what little I have heard over the years from them does not give me confidence that they will be as straight as they picture they paint.

    Charismatic straight talking blokes particularly when they are politicians are often far from that picture, and YES they scare me too, deeply.
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  19. Anon220806
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    The hidden prejudices in all of us....
  20. oss
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    I really don't think that anyone here is like that, but I do think that plenty of parts of UKIP either are or could become like that.
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