How to survive in an argument........

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  1. CatchFriday
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    CatchFriday British Expat living in Alicante, Spain

    All of us argue, but is their a cultural difference to the way Filipinas argue to the way that British men react?

    Perhaps we could discuss types of arguments.........
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  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Interesting and valid question and point.

    Although maybe we should also try to understand the ways we argue here as well ;)
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  3. AndyRam
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    Know thyself first.

    Simple statement, hard to do.

    Bye :D
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  4. Druk1
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    Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. ;)
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  5. oss
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    Where do we start, arguments over money, arguments over supposed promises, arguments over insecurity it never ends.

    One fundamental problem I always had was that discussion of any 'possibility' would be deemed to be a promise, when no promise was ever made.

    Another was misuse of funds.

    This is a very painful topic.
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  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    on misuse thats very subjective unless its my funds lol
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  7. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Unlike most couples we never argued over cash, lucky like that :)
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  8. AndyRam
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    Can we have a choon? It's a belter.



    Delete if out of place, please.
  9. oss
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    Like Dave_E you appear to have for a long time lived a life free of money worries, no criticism Tawi everyone builds their own success and deserves the rewards of their work, there is no green eyed monster here :)

    But for me at least, I've lost two homes in the last 25 years, the first one was the place I grew up and the second was the place I deeply loved and which had been the one and only place I had ever bought, both losses came about through issues with my partners of the time, I am not blaming them I could have behaved differently and made different choices but money is fundamentally important in any relationship and working for a common cause is really important.

    A partner is not a partner if they work against your common goals and the interests of those you need to protect.
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  10. CatchFriday
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    CatchFriday British Expat living in Alicante, Spain

    I need your attention, put away the gadgets, listen to me - or I’ll get mad and I’ll even hit you - don’t argue just remain silent and I’ll calm down or

    I want a divorce if you won’t give me one I’ll make your life hell.....

    Or

    You argue with her and she doesn’t talk for four days.......

    Or

    I’m leaving and later she comes home.........

    Now which kind of woman is she? Do all women have problems..........
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  11. AndyRam
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    A problem is - we can't afford to pay the rent. We can't eat. I've got my todger caught in the exhaust again.

    A test is something a woman (sweeping statement alert) does for adrenal stimulation, to prove that you care, to find your boundaries, and in some cases, good ole power and control.

    All women test, to some extent. Some more than others, and some have 'reasons' to. The actual reasoning is important and differs from an excuse.

    But beyond that there is downright abuse.

    Perhaps any attempt at understanding should concentrate more on who he is and who she is - and the third entity, the actual relationship between them - rather than the species itself.

    I apologise if this is no good at all to you, I'm just throwing this out there, if this is more than hypothetical musings and you want to chat you can always PM me.
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  12. oss
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    A problem is your daughter is ill, she has a fever and cough she is bringing up phlegm, so you ask has she been to a doctor and you don't get an answer.

    You get a demand that she has to see a private specialist but when you ask has 'any' Doctor put a stethoscope on her back and told you what she needs you don't get an answer (stethoscope would tell any doctor whether the child had fluid on their lungs.

    Then you get told that she is taking antibiotics and various other things so you think, yes my daughter is sick but she has seen a Doctor who has written a prescription and the money has already been spent to help her and then later you find out that she has been to a Doctor but no one has bought her anything that the Doctor recommended.

    All of this is a demand for more money over the budget you are trying to live to but you can't trust the partner because a huge amount of what you sent in the past went down a toilet in a Casino (to me a Casino is a toilet for people with serious problems I'm not talking about drugs I mean a money toilet).
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  13. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    my wife and I used to argue all the time and it was always about algerbra, she's now my X
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  14. AndyRam
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    To Oss,

    If we're talking roulette then there is always one rule - house wins, inevitably. Mathematics will always win out over time. Roulette can be great for a quick 20 if you know when to walk away, but even over time it's usually 47.7% for, so there's that maths again.

    I think that, being honest, if I look back at my scores of failed relationships, some utter horror shows, most issues were obvious at the start. I chose to ignore them, and of course I was pretty blind to my own issues, which were substantial.

    Case in point: a girl who I dated very quickly told me she was the ice queen, and she was this and that, and I laughed it off, we had a connection and an attraction and thought we'd be ok and the you-know-what was great with this pretty one. Well. We moved in together, and I allowed her to trample over me. Who's fault? Mine, of course, not excusing behaviour, but she told me what she was and I failed to set any boundaries. Nature will take its course but nature really isn't about great relationships, nature is about procreation and that will override any sense unless the person knows himself first.

    Nobody can really change anybody, and even people who go to assorted therapies are often heavily resistant to change.

    It took me a long time to learn, and I learned the hard way, as I'm far more stupid than I realise. I just call them red flags. But there's no point looking for them long after the relationship has started. Then you're into disaster management territory, and trying to make the best of a bad lot, which sounds like where you are, and you have my utter sympathy with that.
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  15. CatchFriday
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    CatchFriday British Expat living in Alicante, Spain

    Your making sense

    What turned you on in the beginning........ the shape, the sex ?

    Conventionally, Ice Queens are physically attractive women with off-putting personalities and repulsive attitudes. They are very narcissistic and have little regard for another's interests and feelings; they show little or no empathy
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  16. AndyRam
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    The connection. But that does not in itself make for a good relationship.

    Whoa be cautious about labels!

    You end up looking at the label and not the person.

    Models are useful but only as starting points.

    It has been suggested that men go this way in understanding wimmin:

    The women you're looking at
    The whole female species
    The whole species
    Yourself

    And its argued to go the other way. How can you deal with anyone else genuinely if you don't know Who You Are?
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    Y
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  18. KeithAngel
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    = BODMAS
  19. Druk1
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    Friend of mine has 2 children living with their mum in pinas, he is separated from her and lives here in West London, the mother of his kids told him she had cancer, he sent cash, lots of cash, all those treatments add up, after a year and a half he found out she was healthy as can be, she had invented the cancer to get cash so she could have a great time with her new boyfriend :eek:
    Friend of mine was in the PI when his girlfriend gave birth, gave the mother-in-law the cash to pay the hospital bill, the MIL went missing for several days and turned up shamefaced having found a mahjong game and tried to double the amount of cash she was meant to be paying at the hospital. :D She lost the lot.
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  20. bigmac
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    i hate arguments.

    my first wife was very good at it--and if she didnt win--she would brood on it for days. the outcome was usually a violent physical outburst with me on the receiving end. 13 years of hell.

    i rarely argued with my second wife--she usually gave in and forgot about it. we were married 23 years. mostly happy times. well--for me anyway.

    wife 3 --i came to realise was bi-polar. she would switch in an instant from being sweetness itself to a complex nutcase. a walter mitty character, believing her own invented fantasies. i came home from work one day to find a note in the kitchen--she was gone. i divorced her after 2 years separation; we were married 5 years.
    she lives nearby--with her married son.
    she leaves me well alone.

    my 4th wife is filipina.
    need i say more ?
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