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I feel like a stranger where I live

Discussion in 'Life in the UK' started by Micawber, Jan 29, 2013.

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    One Londoner writes a provocative personal piece about how immigration has drastically changed the borough where she has lived for 17 years

    By Jane Kelly
    29 Jan 2013

    "When you go swimming, it’s much healthier to keep your whole body completely covered, you know.” The Muslim lady behind the counter in my local pharmacy has recently started giving me advice like this. It’s kindly meant and I’m always glad to hear her views because she is one of the few people in west London where I live who talks to me.

    The streets around Acton, which has been my home since 1996, have taken on a new identity. Most of the shops are now owned by Muslims and even the fish and chip shop and Indian takeaway are Halal. It seems that almost overnight it’s changed from Acton Vale into Acton Veil.

    Of the 8.17 million people in London, one million are Muslim, with the majority of them young families. That is not, in reality, a great number. But because so many Muslims increasingly insist on emphasising their separateness, it feels as if they have taken over; my female neighbours flap past in full niqab, some so heavily veiled that I can’t see their eyes. I’ve made an effort to communicate by smiling deliberately at the ones I thought I was seeing out and about regularly, but this didn’t lead to conversation because they never look me in the face.

    I recently went to the plainly named “Curtain Shop” and asked if they would put some up for me. Inside were a lot of elderly Muslim men. I was told that they don’t do that kind of work, and was back on the pavement within a few moments. I felt sure I had suffered discrimination and was bewildered as I had been there previously when the Muslim owners had been very friendly. Things have changed. I am living in a place where I am a stranger.

    I was brought up in a village in Staffordshire, and although I have been in London for a quarter of a century I have kept the habit of chatting to shopkeepers and neighbours, despite it not being the done thing in metropolitan life. Nowadays, though, most of the tills in my local shops are manned by young Muslim men who mutter into their mobiles as they are serving. They have no interest in talking to me and rarely meet my gaze. I find this situation dismal. I miss banter, the hail fellow, well met chat about the weather, or what was on TV last night.

    More worryingly, I feel that public spaces are becoming contested. One food store has recently installed a sign banning alcohol on the premises. Fair enough. But it also says: “No alcohol allowed on the streets near this shop.” I am no fan of street drinking, and rowdy behaviour and loutish individuals are an aspect of modern British ''culture’’ I hate. But I feel uneasy that this shopkeeper wants to control the streets outside his shop. I asked him what he meant by his notice but he just smiled at me wistfully.

    Perhaps he and his fellow Muslims want to turn the area into another Tower Hamlets, the east London borough where ''suggestive’’ advertising is banned and last year a woman was refused a job in a pharmacy because she wasn’t veiled.

    On the other hand, maybe I should be grateful. At least in Acton there is just a sign in a shop. Since the start of the year there have been several reports from around London of a more aggressive approach. Television news footage last week showed incidents filmed on a mobile phone on a Saturday night, in the borough of Waltham Forest, of men shouting “This is a Muslim area” at white Britons.

    The video commentary stated: “From women walking the street dressed like complete naked animals with no self-respect, to drunk people carrying alcohol, we try our best to capture and forbid it all.”

    Another scene showed hooded youths forcing a man to drop his can of lager, telling him they were the “Muslim patrol” and that alcohol is a “forbidden evil”. The gang then approached a group of white girls enjoying a good night out, telling them to “forbid themselves from dressing like this and exposing themselves outside the mosque”.

    Worse, though, is film footage from last week, thought to have been taken in Commercial Street, Whitechapel, which showed members of a group who also called themselves a “Muslim patrol” harassing a man who appeared to be wearing make‑up, calling him a “bloody fag”. In the video posted on YouTube last week, the passer-by is told he is “walking through a Muslim area dressed like a fag” and ordered to get out. Last Thursday, police were reported to have arrested five “vigilantes” suspected of homophobic abuse.

    There are, of course, other Europeans in my area who may share my feelings but I’m not able to talk to them easily about this situation as they are mostly immigrants, too. At Christmas I spoke to an elderly white woman about the lack of parsnips in the local greengrocer, but she turned out to have no English and I was left grumbling to myself.

    Poles have settled in Ealing since the Second World War and are well assimilated, but since 2004 about 370,000 east Europeans have arrived in London. Almost half the populations of nearby Ealing and Hammersmith were born outside the UK. Not surprisingly, at my bus stop I rarely hear English spoken. I realise that we can’t return to the time when buses were mainly occupied by white ladies in their best hats and gloves going shopping, but I do feel nostalgic for the days when a journey on public transport didn’t leave me feeling as if I have only just arrived in a strange country myself.

    There are other “cultural differences” that bother me, too. Over the past year I have been involved in rescuing a dog that was kept in a freezing shed for months. The owners spoke no English. A Somali neighbour kept a dog that he told me he was training to fight, before it was stolen by other dog fighters. I have tried to re-home several cats owned by a family who refuse to neuter their animals, because of their religion.

    In the Nineties, when I arrived, this part of Acton was a traditional working-class area. Now there is no trace of any kind of community – that word so cherished by the Left. Instead it has been transformed into a giant transit camp and is home to no one. The scale of immigration over recent years has created communities throughout London that never need to – or want to – interact with outsiders.

    It wasn’t always the case: since the 1890s thousands of Jewish, Irish, Afro-Caribbean, Asian and Chinese workers, among others, have arrived in the capital, often displacing the indigenous population. Yes, there was hateful overt racism and discrimination, I’m not denying that. But, over time, I believe we settled down into a happy mix of incorporation and shared aspiration, with disparate peoples walking the same pavements but returning to very different homes – something the Americans call “sundown segregation”.

    But now, despite the wishful thinking of multiculturalists, wilful segregation by immigrants is increasingly echoed by the white population – the rate of white flight from our cities is soaring. According to the Office for National Statistics, 600,000 white Britons have left London in the past 10 years. The latest census data shows the breakdown in telling detail: some London boroughs have lost a quarter of their population of white, British people. The number in Redbridge, north London, for example, has fallen by 40,844 (to 96,253) in this period, while the total population has risen by more than 40,335 to 278,970. It isn’t only London boroughs. The market town of Wokingham in Berkshire has lost nearly 5 per cent of its white British population.

    I suspect that many white people in London and the Home Counties now move house on the basis of ethnicity, especially if they have children. Estate agents don’t advertise this self-segregation, of course. Instead there are polite codes for that kind of thing, such as the mention of “a good school”, which I believe is code for “mainly white English”. Not surprising when you learn that nearly one million pupils do not have English as a first language.

    I, too, have decided to leave my area, following in the footsteps of so many of my neighbours. I don’t really want to go. I worked long and hard to get to London, to find a good job and buy a home and I’d like to stay here. But I’m a stranger on these streets and all the “good” areas, with safe streets, nice housing and pleasant cafés, are beyond my reach. I see London turning into a place almost exclusively for poor immigrants and the very rich.

    It’s sad that I am moving not for a positive reason, but to escape something. I wonder whether I’ll tell the truth, if I’m asked. I can’t pretend that I’m worried about local schools, so perhaps I’ll say it’s for the chance of a conversation over the garden fence. But really I no longer need an excuse: mass immigration is making reluctant racists of us all.

    Source:-
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9831912/I-feel-like-a-stranger-where-I-live.html
  2. Micawber
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    Yes, it's a long post, but it struck a chord with me.

    Has anyone experienced anything similar to what's being described?

    I have.

    Just last week in my own hometown whist going to our local Asian Grocery store.
    Never had a single issue before and felt quite intimidated. So much so that I've decided not to go back to that shop or even park my car in the area.
    What a palarva!!!
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    Hmmm, where do I start :erm:

    Some years ago, I was walking down through Rusholme, Manchester with my then flat mate, we were two guys in our mid twenties and two Asian lads decided to give us grief. They told us to f off out of their country as this was Pakistan now..

    Almost got into a fight on a couple of times on separate Eid al-Fitr evenings (the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan). Though when I say fight, I'm really talking about being set upon by a gang of feral Muslim youths. Instincts kicked in on both occasions and I got out of there, no point reacting when your outnumbered 7-12 to 1...

    One of the reasons I hate segregation and with it any faith schools, below is a brilliant debate that I think shows how separation and faith schools that help keep that separation in place are a stain on society!

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    Rusholme. I know it well. Just beyond the toast rack, around the corner from The Scream. My daughter used to go to school there next to Platt Fields Park.

    I took my wife down to the asian shops there about 6 months ago but we both felt a little out of it in the asian enclave.

    Over here in IOM we see nothing like that.
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    The Toast Rack :D Know it well... I currently live near Rusholme but I won't be here much longer after Joy gets her visa. Much nicer areas further south like Sale or even my old haunt of Stretford..
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    I used to live in the Sevenways area. My ex wife still lives in Stretford. My son goes to Stretty Grammar.
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    Segragation in community is only natural unfortunately as its human instinct to group with your own. I live near leicester and there are massive muslim areas that I would certainly avoid walking down the street in. I've got no problems with race / colour / creed but there obviously those that do, be them british (white or otherwise) or immigrant. I take the wife to an indian market on the edge of one of these areas and I wouldn't park the car and walk to the store, only park in their carpark and basically not really hang around. I do get a few looks when we go in but a few of the assistants recognise me now so its not too bad.

    I wonder what will happen with regards this type of racial abuse towards white british. This would obviously provoke a reaction from the law enforcement if it was group of white brits going round shouting at veiled women and ethnic blokes. I think its turning into a fine line though as al ot of these people are now born here and are british by definition, just a different ethnic group.

    I sometimes think that Oz and Canada have the right idea. A little hardline and not with out it problems but your only allowed into the country if you meet certain criteria on a points system. Plus they are told this is a christian country if you don't like it go somewhere else. Now i'm not saying that all immigrants should be forced in to going to the local church but everyone should be allowed to worship who / whatever they like but it shouldn't affect the local community.
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    Back on topic, I took my wife into Rusholme (Asian sector in Manchester) to see if we could locate some Filipino food. However we found none. It was all Halal this that and the other. The funny thing was that of the 2 or 3 "asians" that I asked about Filipino food in their asian food store, none of them knew what a Filipino was or that they too were asian. :D
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    I spent a year or so living just off London Road, near the Marquis of Wellington. There was a strong Asian sector there then. That was over 30 years ago.
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    Fun Tourist Attraction - Curry Mile

    "The Curry Mile is a nickname for the part of Wilmslow Road running through Rusholme in Manchester, England. The name is earned from the large number of South Asian restaurants along the road, thought to be the largest concentration outside of the Indian subcontinent. Although less than a mile the road boasts at least seventy restaurants, take-aways and kebab houses.
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    http://www.funtouristattractions.com/a/curry-mile-manchester-england/1269

    Why not pay it a visit Peter?
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    Aberystwyth is one of those rare places where the majority of the population are White. We have very few Asians here, but we do have those pesky Welsh Nationalists who still have a hatred of anyone who speaks English. Both Elsa and some of her friends living in the area have encountered this small-minded nonense - example Elsa was thrown off a bus because she only had a £10 note, the driver wouldn't give any change (Arriva procedures state otherwise), and her friend who works in a care home who had recently completed NVQ 2 in Care has been passed over for promotion time and time again in favour of less qualified local Welsh speakers, and a pay rise never materialised despite being promised over 14 months ago. Luckily these old Welsh Nationalist dinosaurs are slowly melting away, but until then Aberystwyth is a real backwards place with some really nasty small minded people.
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    I work in Barking. I drive into the walled, gated, office car park in the morning and drive out in the evening, with the doors locked. Short trips to the pub or to Boots or Smiths in the lunch hour rarely involve contact with another English man or woman until I get to the last surviving old style pub, which is clearly on its last legs.
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    Pretty sure that is illegal under some old laws, though weirdly they can issue you with an IOU of some kind and pay you the rest of the change at a later date.. I know Stagecoach buses use this method, but don't really like to advertise it and I've never seen a driver hand out IOU vouchers.

    I also know Trains and Trams are covered by something called the Carriage Act where they cannot refuse to accept payment and cannot kick you off if you have legal tender. A friend of mine used this for a few years in Manchester, getting trams with £20 in his wallet, when the inspectors boarded and told him to leave he threatened to prosecute them for breach of some carriage act (did some quick Googling and found zilch). Though, now they've amended their ticket machines and that scam won't work any longer....
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    Is that Barking, Essex? I used to live in Barkingside. Not the same place I know, but quite close, all the same.

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