John McDonnell: Grenfell victims 'murdered by political decisions'

It's truly disgusting, Rob, and highly insulting to the many brave firemen and paramedics who attended that blaze and risked their lives in saving others.

Here's a video clip of that opportunistic Marxist addressing the crowd at Glastonbury yesterday:

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"Is democracy working? It didn’t work if you were a family living on the 20th floor of Grenfell Tower. Those families, those individuals, 79 so far and there will be more, were murdered by political decisions taken over recent decades. The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than meeting a basic human need murdered those families. The decision to close fire stations and to cut 10,000 fire fighters and then to freeze their pay for over a decade . They were political decisions."
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A question Mr McDonnell might care to give an honest answer to is 'what about all the Labour-controlled councils - such as Camden - that have installed the same cheap flammable cladding to their tower blocks?', or are the Tories to blame for that, too?'.

This is not the first tragedy that Labour has politicised. It blamed Police manning cuts for the London Bridge, Manchester and Westminster terrorist attacks even though, in every one of those incidents, the Police arrived and took control very quickly indeed.

I understand Corbyn was also at Glastonbury yesterday and apparently claimed he will definitely be Prime Minister within six months. It is highly unlikely there will be a fresh election any time soon so the only way Corbyn can seize power would be by insurrection, arresting and imprisoning the Queen, the Speakers of both Houses of Parliament and the Parliamentary authorities, all the Chief Police Officers and all the top military brass. Even then he'd probably not succeed as all Police Officers, all Judges and everyone in the armed forces swears allegiance to the Crown. Seizing power by insurrection is exactly what John McDonnell advocates.

MPs John Healey, Labour's Shadow Housing Minister, and Margaret Hodge have condemned John McDonnell's remarks on the BBC today:

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There may be criminal charges resulting from the investigations into the fire, but murder charges would only be a possible if it could be proved that the deaths resulted from criminal acts which were intended to kill.

John McDonnell’s comments at Glastonbury – he said that decisions “made by politicians over decades murdered those families” – have been attacked by Tory MPs including Andrew Bridgen and Nadine Dorries. Bridgen told the Daily Mail that Labour was using Grenfell victims as “political pawns”. Dorries said McDonnell should have “let the dust settle, bodies be identified and given people time to grieve” before he started playing politics with people’s suffering.

This is enough, apparently, to constitute “a backlash”. It assumes that those most deeply affected by Grenfell have no voice themselves and are somehow passive – rather than listening to what they are saying. Which is of course very political.

The disregard for people’s voices is not new. Their warnings were deliberately ignored. Their fears were not worth the small amount needed for fire-resistant cladding. As more and more tower blocks are found unsafe, this indeed is a national emergency. Housing – actual housing – not property has been in a state of emergency for some time. It is how inequality manifests itself directly day to day. It renders invisible what we prefer not to see but Grenfell, a black tower of death, is unmissable. There is silence as one approaches on a train, then anger and grief as it comes into view."

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...fell-political-right-tory-john-mcdonnell-fire

No words necessary.

And Mcdonnell has said today he stands by his original comments, yep we need him helping to run the country NOT.

You have to have respect for people like John McDonnell. After all, people who have letters after their surname have usually done something to deserve them.

In John McDonnell's case, the letters are PoS.

Today he called it "social murder", that's a quote from Engels who wrote: "society in England daily and hourly commits… social murder… it has placed the workers under conditions in which they can neither retain health nor live long" in his book 'The Condition of the Working-Class in England In 1844'.

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PoS Help me out here having a dumb moment sorry!

Piece of

Are you blonde?

i laugh at my dumbness

If McDonnell wants to bandy accusations of murder about and start stringing-up culprits, then he could make a great start by going after his own former party leader and Prime Minister, A. Blair, Esq. Following a tower block fire in 1999 in North Ayrshire, the regulations were changed in 2005 for Scotland BUT NOT FOR ENGLAND. Had they been, Grenfell probably wouldn't have happened.

Shameful behaviour by Labour.

I have called Maggy T and T May the same better than a human sponge Mark and not insulting at all since its fact

Note i agreed with your above post will send you an invite

The person who told me off for calling May the human sponge earlier, thinks this is worthy of a "winner" rating. You have to love it.

the attempt to make Political Gain from human tragedy is beneath contempt,lower than a snakes belly, an a***hole.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40623653

I thought i posted an artical from george monbiot that said the same

nope was Scotchchap in the cyanide thread but I agree would be honoured to be slagged off with John

I have little belief in the ability to govern among the Tory Party. I have less confidence in the Labour Party. All others seem an irrelevance, and none of them appear to have my best interests at heart.

To my mind, there is nothing worse than a career politician who, bereft of experience of 'real life', assumes responsibility for my life decisions, and dictates to me how I should (having experienced life at the dirty end of the stick) live my life.

I am, by nature a Tory as I believe (against all available evidence) that I will be rewarded for my efforts.

Socialism sounds great to a Conservative because, if everyone was as committed to working hard and reaping the rewards, it could be more profitable on a personal basis despite the need for turning a blind eye to the sums accumulated by those who provide the environment in which I may make my efforts. I get wealthy, but others more so.

But that isn't how it works. There are others who are more resistant to putting in effort. Who ask the totally legitimate question of; "What happens if I don't put in the required level of effort?" They still get the same income, still get the same benefits, but their shoulder is not to the wheel.

But I have little confidence in our government as it appears to me that each and every one of them is doing nothing more altruistic than feathering their own nest.

Where should my vote go?