Juncker 10 times more sceptical after meeting Theresa May

https://www.ft.com/content/c3d2b16c-2e57-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a

Our lovely leader says it is all gossip;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39770328

The negotiations will be tough, I'd be surprised if the two parties agree about much at the end of the day.

I anticipate the "no deal is better than a bad deal," that has been talked about, I'd be surprised if its anything else but that.

We will see young man, it will become clearer over the next year or so.

There are, they say, two sides to every story. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I try to read and gauge how well things are progressing by reading quotes from both sides. In my opinion, I think we will leave with no deal because there will be enough Tories in the new Parliament to protest at anything that is offered. The general consensus, and it's shared here and on other forums, is that we should make no concessions at all, whilst retaining as much of the good stuff as we can.

If we leave with no deal then we will be struggling, many businesses are already feeling the effects with everything held in stasis. I had a particularly tough day Friday and it's looking likely that someone will have to leave my company within 3 months because, for all my wishful thinking, and for all the hard work we've put in, nothing will change in 3 months time. To be honest, I should just make the decision now and use the money saved for a rainy day.

The markets are currently banking on a soft Brexit. That is the rumour and is partly why we have seen a stronger pound since the election was called. I expect sterling to strengthen following the election, stay steady and then - if no deal is struck - take a nosedive.

I think we all know that it is impossible to predict the outcome of the talks, its probably true to say that the two parties involved do not have an accurate idea of where the talks will end up, you never know we may be surprised but I have a feeling that remainers and Brexiteers alike will be disappointed.

What worries me about the story of the May and Junker meeting is that maybe this is the way its going to be for the next couple of years, false leaks claiming the talks are going one way or the other, things that could have an affect on the markets.

The only time I want to hear about the negotiations is when something has been decided, not on how things are supposedly going. I have no idea on how the EU and UK intend to play this regarding the media and negotiation updates etc.

My thoughts exactly Timmers. I can see it now, each and every time there is any sort of meeting or discussion the Media is going to be full of all sorts of analytical news stories, trying to dissect and decipher what may or may not have been discussed or agreed. It is going to be the devil of a job to get honest unbiassed reporting.

The thing is, a lot of people are going to make a lot of money trading in the rumours and non-stories.

Trading in sterling on June 22nd 2016 and June 23rd 2016, if you were smart there was easy money to be made regardless of the outcome of the referendum.

The next 2-3 years could see wealthy people become wealthier purely by trading off the back of the stories.

We'll only hear what they want us to hear - usually misinterpreted by a Murdoch financed journalist!

Maybe the first thing to be agreed on then is how they are going to deal with the media, its extremely important how the whole thing is reported for the reasons we have stated.

Its a total SNAFU but many negotiations start like this. There is a deal to be done and I suspect that May wants a more centrist group of MPs so she can not be beholding to the Right Whingers. We could yet see us like Norway which I, as a Remainer, can work with. If she is the blockhead stubborn charisma free HR middle manager I ssuspect she is, then we are in trouble and we would need a Tory centrist revolt to stop the No Deal scenario. I have not actually heard a positive about the No deal vs bad deal so far. Maybe someone can explain what a bad deal looks like and what is so great about no deal.

I don't think anyone knows what a good or bad deal will look like, a lot depends on what side of the argument you are, what is perceived as good for me as a Brexiteer certainly wont be perceived as good for a remainer.

I'd be amazed if a deal is struck that pleases everyone, someone is going to lose and the odds are against that lovely lady Mrs May.

To be fair, a good deal for you may be a bad deal for a fellow brexitter. People voted Brexit with different things in mind.

Well, there was only two choices on the ballot paper in or out, the electorate were made well aware of what the leave vote would mean, no one can deny that.

I think we can say with confidence that most people who voted for Brexit were voting to cut/control immigration, in turn to leave the single market and all that good stuff.

I don't want to visit old arguments, I'm tired of them

At the end of the day, the elected heads of government will over-rule the unelected Tusk and Juncker and push for a deal with the UK. If May walks away, the no deal scenario, the losers will be the EU27 who lose one of their biggest customers. If there's no deal, the UK will take a bit of a hit in the short term but likely not as serious a blow as a bad deal could bring about and which could have longer lasting effects.

I hope you're right Mark old boy because a "no deal" is certainly a option, something I'm personally comfortable with but a lot of people will not be.

erm according to BoJo it meant £350 million a week to the NHS and access to the free trade area and customs union.... Still true? We'd also be safe and secure after Turkey joined the EU...

We will have access to the single market in one way or another, once ties are severed with the EU then hopefully more money will be made available for public services including the NHS, if the economy hasn't gone down the pan as some remainers anticipate.