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Discussion in 'Travel Tips and Advice' started by Greenspin, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. oss
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    Horribly expensive unless you buy the ticket now, and even then you won't get the best prices, Filipino Overseas Workers (OFW's) all go home at Christmas, Catholic country the celebration is deep rooted and they celebrate big time, OFW's returning home are some of the few people that can celebrate properly as they have some dosh from having worked abroad.

    All the airlines know they can charge a premium at Christmas, Easter and often around All Saints day on November, all times to avoid, sadly my son was born on the 28th of October so I'm stuffed it's always expensive to go over then :)
  2. Greenspin
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    Or right. Well it is the soonest time I can get over there, unfortunately. I don;t want to have to wait until my next holiday period. Do you have any idea what the weather is like around end of December beginning of Jan? I looked at it said there's fairly dry winds and not much else...
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    I love Christmas over there, mild during the day and fairly cool at night, still talking about 28 C during the day and 22-24 C at night, but for me that is heaven :)

    You can get a bit of a breeze sometimes too at Christmas, it is the tail end of rainy season and a month or so from the start of summer, Christmas in Manila is nicer weather than most other times of year but then again I like the hot times too :)
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    Thanks mate, sounds really nice, actually. Sorry for all the questions, but would I be right to think they use both the two and three pin, american style plugs over there?
  5. oss
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    Never been in the states but you can use any British appliance apart from clocks over in the Phils, the frequency of the power screws up the timing of clocks almost everything else works pretty well.

    Not sure if the power connectors are the same as the states but I would guess that it is likely, adapters are readily available in any Mall, most sockets are 2 pin flat prongs, almost nothing is grounded so three pin is quite rare, you will get three pin plugs on Aircon units but not much else, many large appliances can feel electrically hot to the touch, i.e you get a buzz through your skin if you touch them.

    Lots of items sold over there have UK plugs and as I said adapters are readily available, I've taken many UK 4 way power blocks over there over the years so for me it is never a problem, but as I said nothing is earthed so it's all a bit dodgy :)
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  6. oss
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    Not always sunny, but often sunny during the day and rainy at night.
  7. Greenspin
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    Nice one mate, I can't wait. Getting excited planning everything.
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    Have you been to Manila at all? Also Navotas City is where the girl I know lives, currently, if that's anywhere you're familiar with?
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    My family lives in Manila, my two kids and my partner.

    I've not been up to the north west much, that area is a bit more dangerous than the central and southern cities like Makati, Paranaque and the old city of Manila itself.
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    Is Makati not pretty close to Navotas? When you say dangerous, does it bare a danger that is of particular concern to a tourist?
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    Things change rapidly in a few miles, Makati is quite modern and expensive, I once took a wrong turn while driving and ended up in Navotas and found it hard to navigate back out as a result I got to see a lot of it, very run down place and it did not feel comfortable.

    One always has to be careful as a foreigner anywhere in Metro Manila but the outer cities like North Caloocan tend to have greater poverty and as such the risk to affluent westerners is much higher.

    Don't get me wrong I love the Philippines and I love the people over there but I would have to be mentally handicapped to not perceive the dangers.

    The risk I am talking about is bodily physical violence i.e. mugging and robbery, also the smaller possibility of KFR, Kidnap for Ransom, it's an industry over there, highly unlikely but it does happen and we were once threatened with KFR via an anonymous phone call to the hotel that I had taken my family to for the weekend.

    One thinks differently after one has been escorted back to Manila by an armed police guard, I was driving a rental car and the police escorted us all the way from Los Banos back to Manila.

    Also Navotas and Makati are not that close nearly 8 miles apart, that's a lot over there in a complex city like Metro Manila.
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    I was aware I'd have to be cautious, but was reading from some Manila locals that it's the same as other cities, the danger is there, but otherwise no more threatening to the wise person who acts vigilant and sensible.

    I appreciate the reality check though. I will be cautious. I know it wouldn't matter if I was approached by a gang or held ransom, etc, but I'm not such a small guy, and I've very fit, so hopefully that will act as a small deterrent to trouble. I will be doing a Saganda tour, and possibly be going down to this girls province, Cabanatuan City.
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    The power is nominally 220 volts, close enough to 240 volts to be usable. American 110 volts is quite rare but where they are available there are usually 220 v sockets as well.

    Pins are two prong flat. Adaptors that will accept both British three pin and Australian pins are cheap. Rarely earthed.

    Power swings widely in most places so for anything delicate it might be worth getting a power voltage regulator. They're quite cheap.
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    If you want to travel over the Christmas/New Year period, you should book your tickets now.

    You're right, Jim, I meant to write 1hr 55min:oops:.

    Ah, you're misinterpreting the rules differently to how the BI Immigration Officer would! You assume that without a valid 9(a) Visitors' Visa, you'd be entering on a 21 day Visa Waiver and therefore your return ticket should be dated within that 21 day period, right? Umm, WRONG!!! All that is actually required is that you possess a valid ticket out of the country, period. And that is all that KLM should insist upon. It is perfectly OK for you to book a trip of four or five (or more) weeks' duration without necessarily holding a Visa. If you have sufficient Pesos, you can also buy the 38 day extension at the airport - ask the Immigration Officer as you hand him your Passport

    The above is a statement about how it actually works in practice. Prior to gaining my residency here, I always travelled with the return booking 11 months after the outbound - that being the maximum time available at the time of booking and one can extend that by up to one month later on. However just prior to my last outbound, in 2010, my travel agent phoned me to tell me that she'd been contacted by KLM's reservations at Schipol who had queried my visa status - I was in fact intending to enter on a Waiver and buy an extension at Manila airport. Ricardo David, the BI Commissioner, had just written to all airlines insisting they check that their passengers hold tickets out of the Philippines before allowing them to board a flight to the Philippines. It was assumed (wrongly) at that time that the "exit" ticket needed to be dated within 21 days of arrival. Mine was for 11 months hence so my agent asked me if she should change the return date on my booking, I said no. In fact all I did was go online and buy a Tiger Airways ticket from Clark to Singapore for $20. I needn't have bothered, when I checked-in at Cardiff a week or so later, I wasn't asked for an "exit" ticket dated within 21 or 59 days!

    However, Ricardo David resigned last week and his deputy is temporarily running the shop until Aquino appoints his successor. Things may well change again in the not too distant future.
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    I know how it's supposed to work Mark, but I've been challenged at the check-in desk by KLM staff on a number of occasions when my return flight date was dead on 21 days and I simply can't take the chance of getting knocked back by them, I was knocked back once when my passport had less than 6 months left on it in spite of them letting me fly the previous month when I had only 5 months left.

    A throwaway would be cheaper than an alteration but again I just don't want the argument at Manchester, Glasgow or Liverpool three hours before departure. Buying a 21 day return I can always choose to leave on that date, if I get the on arrival visa extension like I did last time then I can explore the price of the alteration and decide if I want to extend or not.

    It's not an ideal way of doing it but it works for me, I really wish they would just change the blasted rules and offer something closer to thirty or more days on the 9(a).
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    A couple of things here, Jim. Firstly the 21 day waiver starts at the first midnight following your arrival and expires at midnight at the end of your 21st day. This means that your legal stay can be up to 22 days. Also, you can buy a 38 day extension on arrival, in the Immigration Hall. Simply tell the Immigration Officer that you want to stay longer than 21 days and he will direct you to the BI office where your Passport will be stamped (upon payment of about Php2800 or so).

    This is the problem with KLM here - or rather, KLM's agents. The airline normally permits you to make one change - eg to the return date - completely free of charge using its Dutch or English websites. However, its Manila agents lock all reservations once your outbound has left Schipol and you can not make any changes yourself. You are forced to contact the agents and pay them up to $100 for something that should be free. One the one occasion I had to change my return booking - and pay the agent's fee - I complained to KLM's Customer Services on arrival at Schipol and was given a voucher for $100 off my next reservation.

    The BI regulations do NOT require that your return trip be dated within 21 days of arrival. Unless you have a 9(a) Visa, all that is required is that you have a valid eTicket from the Philippines to another country - like Singapore - dated on or before the expiry of your Visa Waiver. If KLM is giving you conflicting information, I suggest you print the page on the BI web site that details the regulations for Visa Waivers and 9(a) Visitor Visas and produce that at check-in; there should be no arguments then.

    But Jim, if you have a valid 9(a) Visa - issued by the Philippine Embassy - you automatically get 59 days' stay on arrival! It is, or was, actually a bit cheaper to obtain such a Visa than pay for the corresponding extension.
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    Sorry I assumed the 9(a) was the visa waiver never bothered to check, what I meant was I just wish they would extend the visa waiver.

    Regards, ticket changes that usually depends on the ticket conditions, my tickets usually have a 100 EUR change fee on them, when I alter it I call the KLM service center in Europe, done this many times. When altering business class tickets that was generally free but the economy tickets have always been charged about 100 EUR and I always check my ticket conditions carefully before booking.

    I think I got my extension last Christmas for just 2600 peso when I arrived was really good, ok took 15 minutes extra, I never bothered going to the immigration desk I went straight to the BI office on the left hand side and made my request before I got to the immigration desk.
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    There has been talk of extending the Visa Waiver period but only for American former armed forces.

    If I have one extravagance it is that for long haul flights (6 hours or more) I do travel Business Class and I've habitually used a travel agent in Milford Haven to book my tickets and she gets them from a flight consolidator at a significantly reduced price (compared to KLM's published fares). I'm over 6' tall and the thought of being crammed in with the other sardines doesn't hold much appeal. Also, due to flight timings, I've always had at least 4 hours at Schipol in both directions and KLM does have very comfortable lounges with free food - and there's a decent smoking area in each of them and free WiFi too. The one I use is that between "A" and "B" gates.
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    That's a pity I had hoped it would be more general than that.

    Yeah I know I was Platinum for quite a few years and KLM Business class was very nice; when it was round about 1400 to 1500 quid and my business was doing well I would spring for it but at close to 2400 quid or more now it's never going to happen again for me :)

    I did get lucky and get a free upgrade about 3 or 4 times, once even 30 minutes after takeoff :)

    I used to use the Crown lounge upstairs near the F pier never tried the other one, a good thing in Schiphol now is that the wi-fi is free for one hour everywhere now.
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