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marry on visitor visa ?

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself' started by mythusuk, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. mythusuk
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    Hello to everyone...I'm new here, i recently got engaged to my girlfriend in Manila, and we are now making plans to get married, She has applied for a visitors visa to come and be with me in London, is it possible for us to get married when she's here? i am registered disabled, so its difficult for me to travel.
  2. Anon220806
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    I believe you wont be able to marry with her on a visitor visa. It would have to be a spouse visa or fiancee visa.

    With a fiancee visa she would travel to the UK once her visa has been granted. And then you and she can marry in the UK.
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  3. Howerd
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  5. Howerd
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    Howerd Well-Known Member Trusted Member Lifetime Member

    It has been mentioned elsewhere on here before.

    There is a also a 'workaround' to get married on other types of visitor visa. That would mean getting married in an Anglican Church who are not concerned with immigration status. The marriage would be perfectly valid irrepective of any visa restriction against getting married. But I am unsure how UKBA would then view any subsequent application for a settlement visa in the UK, so always better to get the proper marriage visitors visa if you don't wish to immediately settle in the UK.
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  7. david me
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    david me New Member

    could you be my freind please
  8. Howerd
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    Howerd Well-Known Member Trusted Member Lifetime Member

    Mythusuk has made no mention of a settlement visa. He is asking about marrying on a visit visa. Those income rules and disabled exemption don't apply on a visit visa but it is something to think about if his wife subsequently applies for a settlement visa, especially as it seems his disability may well prevent him living overseas.

    It also seems possible that he has not actually met his fiancee yet, given his disability means travelling is difficult. I don't think the fact he may have not met his fiancee, is any bar to marrying on a marriage visit visa though.
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  9. Mystica
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    But the fact is, its not likely for him to just bring her over and marry her and later on find out that she cannot stay because he can't really get her a spouse visa. Visit visa does not mean she is entitled to stay even if she is married to a Britisher.
  10. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    The O.P. needs to post more info on the situation for more comprehensive advice.

    At the moment we can only say yes it is possible
  11. mythusuk
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    Thanks for your reply, it is much appreciated, We have known each other for nearly a year and chat on the internet and tel.daily, i went to Manila in July where we got engaged, we are now waiting for her visitor's visa to be processed so she can come to London in December, is it possible to change the status of the visa once she is here ? i am in receipt of DLA and it is not possible to live in Phil's. due to hospital appointment's etc.
  12. KeithAngel
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    Phew ok well If you feel you know her well enough I would suggest one of the first steps would be to obtain a cenomar online from the Phils which is basicaly a search to confirm her Marital status, I take it she already has a Passport?

    You would be wise to research some of the potential pit falls that can be associated with mostly online relationships.

    What does your fiance do for a living? Have you visited her home?
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    For the first year my story pretty much mirrors yours. We started chatting on the internet in March 2009. In May 2009 I went to hospital and nearly died. I am on DLA too. We met in December 2009 and got engaged. A few weeks ago I found out she married someone else whilst still engaged to me.

    You will also have to think very carefully about whether she could ever get a Visa to live in the UK. There are financial requirements that have to be met and those requirements are usually the reponsibility of the sponsor (i.e. you) I assume your fiancee could not meet those financial requirements herself.

    As you are on DLA you are exempt from having to meet an income of £18,600/year but there are still financial requirements to be met and if your only income is DLA, other disability benefits and Income Support/Pension Credit I doubt that you could fulfill the UKBA requirements.

    I would not chance getting married on any visit visa (not even on a marriage visit visa) until you can be sure you can meet the income requirements to bring a spouse to the UK. The only way you can be really sure if you meet those income requirements (assuming you survive solely on benefits) is for your fiancee to apply for a fiancee visa, when your income will be assessed. At least then you will not be tied into a marriage with no chance of being together.

    I don't think there is any chance of changing a visit visa to another type of visit visa (eg marriage visit visa) once she is in the UK. She certainly cannot change a visit visa into a settlement visa (eg fiancee or spouse visa) whilst she is in the UK.

    Best to get to know one another first whilst she is in the UK, let her go back home without getting married and consider carefully everything. She will have to take an English test before she is granted a fiancee/spouse visa and will need to attend a seminar in the Philippines before her own goverment will let her out of the country to live in the UK. Overcoming those hurdles can be quite a minefield.

    But the biggest hurdle is really being sure she is the right person for you. Don't fall into the trap that I did for four years.
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  14. Maharg
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    You can't change your status from a visitor visa to a spouse visa. Even if you did get married, she'd have to return home and apply for a spouse visa from the Philippines.

    As you've already met, it's better to apply for a fiance visa rather than a visitors visa. Not only does it mean she could stay here and apply for leave to remain, but I reckon you're more likely to be succesful with the application as long as you meet the draconian financial rules. (You'd need to meet those no matter how you go about it if you want to stay together.)

    You don't need cenomar by the way. It's not a recognised document here in the uk and not required.
  15. bukidnon
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    mystica -whats a britisher?
  16. Mystica
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    Britisher is a British person! look it up!

    British is an adjective
    Britisher is a (noun) for a British person

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Britisher

    Thesaurus Legend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
    Noun - Britisher - a native or inhabitant of Great Britain.
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  17. mythusuk
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    Thanks,,,, yes i stayed with her at her home for a month, she is a school teacher and she has got permission for leave from her Superintendent,to visit me, she has already got the cenomar and has passed the English test and medical , i have sent her the required documents to act as her sponser for a visitors visa, do you think then, the best way forward,would be, to marry her in Phils then apply for a spouse visa ? my gross income which includes H.B, Council tax benifit and travel concession is £21000 would that meet the financial reqierment ?
  18. bukidnon
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    did u notice (not noticed) part where it says not used by british
  19. Mystica
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    Are you British? Are you a teacher? Do you write books? If not this words exist as my husband is a Senior Lecturer and he is a major scholar of Oxford University and he does use this words.

    Here is a sample when it was used in a book.

    Boer and Britisher in South Africa; A History of the Boer-British War and the Wars for United South Africa, Together with Biographies of the Great Men

    Another one;
    Allegation about Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (AS) as Britisher Agent - Refuted
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk...ulam-ahmed-as-as-britisher-agent-refuted_news

    And another one;
    http://www.examiner.com/article/review-the-britisher

    And kindly don't hijack this thread and change the subject for mythusuk!
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  20. Howerd
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    You cannot include Housing Benefit, Council Tax Beneift and travel concessions as 'income'. You have to meet the income requirements after any housing costs...

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/v...ns-settled/spouse-cp/can-you-apply/financial/

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/s...DIs/chp8-annex/section-FM-1.7.pdf?view=Binary


    The income requirements are pretty much the same whether she comes here on a fiancee visa or a spouse visa. At least with a fiancee visa, you will know if you meet the income requirements BEFORE getting married. If she prefers to get married in the Philippines, you may want to consult an immigration specialist on your income, to see if you meet the requirements before going ahead with any marriage. I guess you don't want to end up in the situation where you are married but cannot be together.

    Maybe the VFS in the Philippines could provide some assistance with this? But be very careful in selecting any visa advice service. There are some very unscrupulous ones out there - in particular avoid UK Immigration Barristers and Kings Court Chambers that advertise heavily on the internet and whose adverts are always appearing on this forum. Similarly, avoid Global Visas who are UK-based but have an office in Cebu. That office was raided by Police last year for suspected estafa.

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