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Only 22% of voters want to stop Brexit

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, May 15, 2017.

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  1. Markham
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    A YouGov survey was published at the end of last week which indicates that rather than the country being split 52% Leavers to 48% Remainers, a significant number of those who voted Remain in the Referendum support the democratic decision and support the government in carrying out the electorate's wishes.

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    This has obvious ramifications for the General Election. The predominantly pro-Remain parties - Labour, the Lib Dems, SNP and Greens - are chasing just 22% of the elctorate whilst the Tories (and Ukip) have a potentially a far greater pool of voters.
  2. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I think most sensible people are now resigned to the fact we are leaving the EU which to me means good news, we can even sense on the forum that the remainers are getting used to the idea because the abuse has abated :D

    I said a while back that the Lib Dems will regret playing the "remain card," I really don't expect them picking up many seats harping on about the referendum result and a second referendum.
  3. Drunken Max
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    There is also a poll that shows that the majority think that Brexit will be bad for the UK. Together it says "We've screwed up but we might as well see this through to the end now"

    As a remainer I am fine with that as long as the final deal is voted on either by Parliament or a referendum. It would be ironic if we have another advisory referendum and Theresa Mayhem decides to ignore a negative result and use her majority to push through.
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  4. Markham
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    Please provide a link to that poll.

    There will be a vote by both Houses of Parliament on whether the deal on offer is acceptable or not. Britain leaves regardless of the outcome of that vote.
  5. Timmers
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    Mark my words, there will be no vote by Parliament or referendum, the talks will break down and there will be no agreement, the UK will walk away from the negotiations which is fine by me regardless of outcome.

    I feel it in my water :)
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  6. Drunken Max
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    How can something be fine regardless of outcome? that's just irresponsible. We lose 3 million workers and gain one million pensioners? All our exports now require customs inspections. The French open up the border to the Calais camp? Our qualifications are no longer mutually recognised? We lose our nuclear license? We lose our airworthiness certifications? Visa free travel? Medical cover in the EU? WTO tariffs.

    who do you think will blink first?

    Regardless of outcome... We will be better off outside of the EU.... A shorter suicide not than Corbyn's manifesto..
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  7. Markham
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    What are you smoking?
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  8. Timmers
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    I think you're prone to a bit of panicking Max old boy, what you are stating are probably the worst case scenarios, what ever the obstacles are that are put in front of us I am confident we will negotiate them especially where business is concerned.

    Is medical cover a big issue, I wouldn't travel anywhere in the EU without proper travel/business insurance, I would never depend on the reciprocal agreement?

    We didn't need a visa to travel to Europe before the introduction of free movement, I doubt that will change after we leave the EU.

    British qualifications will always be considered equal and above to the equivalent EU.

    Air worthiness certs, I saw on TV that it is not a EU standard and will not effect us, same with your nuclear concern.

    WTO rules/tariffs, bring it on, how responsible is that? :)
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  9. Markham
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    What medical cover? EHIC only covers emergency treatment in Europe, for limited amount of time (90 days, I think) but does not guarantee cost-free treatment; there may be a charge and travellers are advised to have medical insurance. On the other hand, if you want to live in another EU country as an expat, you will have to pay medical insurance premiums as a pre-condition to getting a Residency Permit - unless you are in receipt of a UK State Pension.
  10. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Just to say that I have also seen references to the poll that DrunkenMax mentions. Will try to find it later.

    A vote by both Houses of Parliament is not acceptable as the Prime Idiot has stipulated that the vote will be between the deal she negotiates and leaving with no deal.

    At the university that I attended, this sort of thing was known as Hobson's Choice.

    Speaking as one of the 22%, I don't feel remotely inclined to abandon my opposition to this utter insanity. The Bastards lost a referendum in 1975 and wittered on for forty one years until the idiot Cameron gave in to them and the referendum was stolen by multi millionaires who planned and executed a campaign of deceit.

    "Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
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  11. Aromulus
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    Andrew.......... You should go out that little bit more instead of sulking and fostering negative thoughts, enjoy that lovely milder weather we seem to have at the moment, act your shoesize and not your age for once.
    One day you will be grateful for Brexit.
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  12. Markham
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    We'll conveniently forget that the Lib Dems were all for a referendum on Britain's continuing membership of the EU from 2008 until they were in government and we'll pretend that Cameron and Osborne's 'Project Fear' was a mere figment of our imagination. ;):like:

    Welcome to Leave!
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  13. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    That's exactly what I think, I expect very turbulent times ahead but at the end of the day the UK will weather the storm and fall upon calmer waters.

    I'm really looking forward to the day when all our EU ties are severed and we can make are own laws and decisions without having to fall inline with 27 other countries.

    I compare the UK leaving the EU with boarding a Titantic lifeboat before it hits the iceberg.
  14. Markham
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    Let me help you out here - although when you read what I have discovered, you may not be too quick to thank me! I suggest that you - and DrunkenMax - may have happened on an article in the Independent by its deputy business editor and headlined "The latest polls show most people think Brexit was a mistake. This could be a turning point", published on 27th April.

    Note that the third word of the headline is a plural, "polls", from which one might reasonably assume that more than one opinion poll had been conducted that asked the same question(s) and more than one gave such a result. But no, on reading the article (little more than a biased rant) one discovers that this extraordinary claim was the result of only one poll, supposedly commissioned by the Times and undertaken by YouGov. Indeed the author provides us with a clickable link so that we could verify this for ourselves. But no. The link is self-refering back to the Independent's story.

    There is no mention (that I could find) on YouGov's web site to YouGov undertaking any poll. I must therefore conclude that this is fake news. If such a poll really had been undertaken and that result obtained, I'm pretty sure the BBC would have headlined it on all news programmes for at least 24 hours and the story would have been writ large in the Guardian, Observer, Mirror, Financial Times and, of course, the Times. If it's writ large in any of the aforementioned publications, it has been done so in invisible ink and the BBC only included it in its news bulletins for the deaf on the wireless!
  15. Bluebird71
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    "These are people who voted to Remain in the EU and many still think that leaving was the wrong decision, but crucially now believe the government has a duty to carry out the will of the British people."

    Not exactly what is being implied in the OP.
  16. Markham
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    Which you obviously didn't read because that very point is spelled-out in the graphic!
    Read the text beneath the green "23%" circle.
  17. Bluebird71
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    Then why not include that, as opposed to your usual confirmation bias approach?
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

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