The Muslim Thread

Seems we have been steadily building up a few threads about Islam and Muslims and I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread to kind of combine them all into this one..

so first of all, let me just make my position clear on Islam and Muslims...

I have Muslim friends, I once had a Muslim drinking buddy back in the day (his mother hated him getting drunk with me and whoever else). I have met Muslims who think Islam will one day dominate the world and others who see their religion as one of many, and a personal choice for them and their family. In other words, I have seen first hand the many different kinds of Muslims - Just in Manchester, alone..

I own a copy of the Koran, I have looked at various resources online (including this excellent skeptics version) and watched hours of debates and seen many Dawah (proselytizing) films on YouTube. I have subscribed to Forums on this subject, including the one run by the EDL (and I still think for the most part they are thugs and racists) as well as the most hardcore, hateful and radical Islamist sites out there, like this one! So I come to this subject a little informed and hopeful that all is not so bad..

Though before I get into that, please watch this video below!!



watched that video? hope so.. To be honest, I agree with this Vlogger 100% on this issue..

And with that, I also have a lot of criticism for Islam and the practices of many Muslims and would love to see a time in this country when less emphasis was given to Mosques as a "cultural hub" and more to library's or sports centres and other places where anyone can mix with anyone..

So I think we need to start a change in this country and stop going to imams to represent the Muslim areas of our towns and inner cities - because they don't! Imams represent their own interests for the most part, and to solidify their positions within their community, they rely on the local council and various government agencies to treat them as a gateway to these areas. We honestly don't need them! Social cohesion could be bettered if instead of giving more time to these imams we invested in local sports and youth centres, and through youth and local social workers we created a system where social unrest and disaffectedness were hit head on

Do we have a problem in this country? Yes, absolutely.. There are Muslims who act like victims and soak up the hatred of preachers who teach them to hate Kuffars (none Muslims) and who see Jews as enemies and not as people. this problem is also leading some to training camps with the hope that they get to kill a few of us Kuffars before going to heaven to collect their 72 virgins...

But that is not Muslims as a whole! The diversity of Muslims is as great if not greater as the diversity of Christians. And whilst I hate the "Westboro Baptist Church" and their picketing of funerals with the slogans "God Hates Fags", they do not represent Christians. Likewise, hateful preachers and fellow Muslim crazies do not represent Islam.. Though I do appreciate that there are far more of the hateful preachers in Islam than in Christianity, but there are many shades of grey within his religion.

Many years ago, Christian Europe burnt all of the books of Philosophy from the ancient Greeks. It was the Muslim conquerers of Africa and Spain who found them in a library and saved them from destruction from Christians who wanted to destroy all heretical books. Likewise it was Muslim Taliban who destroyed Buddhist statues because they said it was heretical towards Islam.. Both extremes have and do exist in both religions (as well as others)..

So with that long rant all I am simply saying is that Muslims come in many different levels of thought, and not always spotted from the way they dress.. Very moderate Muslims will be found wearing traditional clothing whilst some of the most extreme radicals might be found sporting western jeans and shirts..

Now with that said.. We should verbally attack anyone who says it is their religion that tells them that women are less worthy than men, that Jews are the enemy or anything that goes against the fabric of this society.

Also, societies are not all equal. I stand by the ascertain that the Saudi regime is behind a retarded system that will fall down like a ton of bricks when the oil wells dry up. Somali and Kenyan immigrants to this country should be forced with the threat of real prison time if they are found to be mutilating the genitals of their young girls for the sake of keeping them virgins - an idea from yet another backward society!!



And despite the hate and killing, there will be people who stand up and speak out.. As from the video below.

To perfectly honest and above board, on checking a couple of things, lately, I came to realize that I was posting a lot of Muslim material, and I started doubting whether I was becoming a bit of an Islamophobe and closet racist. like someone else, on an other forum.

But on reflection, while re-reading my threads and posts, I have to say, that I am definitively not.

I have likes and dislikes, I have an open mind, and ready to debate, I accept criticism about the religion, I was born into, and I bash it quite a bit myself, for various reasons.

As I consider myself a modern man, I just cannot bring myself to accept a creed which was justified in its cruelty by the times it was first introduced.... By force....

Ok, you may say, the Christians weren’t too friendly either at times...
Ok, you have a point, but they have evolved on the whole, and now we have modern a Christianity which embraces differences of opinion, the mindset to debate to the hilt, gender equality. And what not.
The gay issues are slightly different, as the Catholic Church doesn’t condemn the sinner, but the sin.
Protestants actually do promote gay “Bishops”....
Can anyone imagine what would happen to a gay Imam...???
Digressing with a cheap joke... sorry.
There is none of that death to this, death to that, left, right and centre that we experience with Islam.
Women are property to dispose and do with, as the husband or the father chooses..
Gays are to be exterminated... But they condone child abuse.....
Where Christianity is definitively on the side of Human rights, and all it entails, Islam is not at all...
And in its Neanderthal rigidity, won’t even contemplate the fact that society has changed and modern times require a modern way of worship.

Besides, the way it is, it actually segregates people within their own small enclaves, as they don’t seem to like each other much, as family groups and tribes...

I also worked for years with Muslims from different countries, on cruise ships mainly, and the shenanighans they used to get up to with booze, gays, women, bacon butties , pork chops and whole barbecued piglets on buccaneer cove in St John, Antigua, are nobody’s business.
In Germany I was stuck with Moroccans and Turks.... Same story...
Allah is not here in Bonn.. They said to me while swigging on a Munchner Hofbrau bottle..

The funniest one, was a guy on the QEII... He used to love to come back to Southampton so he could stock up on pork scratchings....

Life Jokes aside, they seriously need to sit down, and reconsider their options , open the dialogue between themselves and change a few things around.
So that a lot of the mistrust existing now can subside. And harmony can have a chance.

Absolutely Dom.. I never thought you were a closet Islamophobe or racist. And I also think the word Islamophobia is a false word to begin with and racist is a word thrown about as a way to stifle debate!

And I think the problem here is that for too often people in various positions of power take the softly softly approach and halt any debate so as not to offend anyone. A position I am against and one I think is in dire need to change.. So, Dom. Your criticisms are valid and correct. And I would hope that people like you and me will be able to shake the idiots in power to allow these debates in open and public forums in future without the stigma of racism getting mentioned.. Then perhaps we can move on and worry about what should be more pressing issues..

Shocking scenes indeed.

I remember watching something similar a couple of years ago, and have been trying to unearth it again through google, and youtube, but I can't find it anywhere, maybe becaus ethe title is kind of hazy in my mind.

Again, all those snippets that come out from time to time, show the true face of Islam.
And being in denial from the start, muslims don't understand or want to understand that practices such as those shown, are well beyond the times and should not be practiced or even encouraged.
The barbarity is truly shocking.
And as I said in the past, the sooner they take a reality enema, the better it will be for civilization.

Now this is just plain weird

Keith, don't get me wrong. The "civilised" west is not far from the Saudi clerics in terms of liberalism (despite what some claim).. It was not that long ago in real terms that women here were denied the vote, Gays were outlawed just for being different and uttering words that differed from those in the bible was met with death or persecution..

And I would bet that of all nations it will be Iran that makes the leap into secularism quicker than we did!

Getting back to a serious post now.... This video is the scariest "news" report ever!! Though the fact it is by CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network) kind of makes me go hhhmmmmmm...