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The right to freedom of speech is absolute

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Kuya, Mar 16, 2011.

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  1. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    Amazing story I just read about the mother of a dead US marine who's funeral was met with a protest from the odious Westboro Baptist Church..

    And what is amazing is that despite the hurt from his death and the hateful things that the crazies from Westboro have been shouting, this lady thinks that the free speech of the Westboro Baptists is a right that deserves protection even though it has caused huge pain to her family!
  2. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I read both links what exactly are they "picketing" about something also about 5 kids and a fire???
  3. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    The Westboro Baptists are a strange cult, their "church" consists of family members who take on board the bs that Fred Phelps pumps out over his pulpit. This Wikipedia article is a good place to learn about these crazies...
  4. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    The right to freedom of speech is absolute

    Great topic for discussion.
    Especially as it's recognised as a Human Right. But what happens when Freedom of Speech seems to conflict with laws, other principles, values or human rights.

    A recent case could be the comments made by Alex Ferguson regarding his view on the performance of a footbal referee.
    Where did 'freedom of speech' cross the line with other principles and values?
    Just curious.:)
  5. Kuya
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    There is only one valid restriction on free speech that I can think of, and that is when somebody calls on others to commit violence, not even the US constitution protects that - and rightly so. The BNP choose their words very carefully so as not to tell people what they really think and want to do, not just because some of their supporters might then realize how extreme they actually are, but the jail cells would soon be filled with them:erm:

    So far, the US has (in my opinion) the best levels of free speech. In this country, and elsewhere in Europe it is illegal to say certain things. Throughout Europe it is illegal to deny the holocaust, yet it is perfectly acceptable to deny the massacre of Armenians by the Turks. Up until recently, it was still an offence to blaspheme here in the UK, despite a growing none Christian population as well as many Christians who saw those laws as outdated and in need of reform or abolishment.

    As for Sir Alex's remarks about referees, I am of the opinion he should be allowed to say those things - as does every Football commentator and fan! The FA has a history of corruption and whenever someone who works for a Football club opens their mouths about any concerns they have, they get fined and what not...:frust: On this one, I think the FA are way out of order!
  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I would agree about the states with the exception of things like no disclosure clauses dont know if you ever saw the "insider" movie one of my favourites
  7. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    The US is not perfect when it comes to free speech, but I think if we regard their system as the bare minimum we should demand... We are in safe waters;)
  8. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    Keith, was that the movie with Al Pacino?
    About cigarettes?
  9. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Yes thats the one :like:
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Free speech should be upheld, but that "church" should respect a family's loss.

    The U.S. is awash with churches so there are so many religious people who are brainwashed.
    I lived in Maryland a long time and the church has it's influence everywhere.

    I think if this happened in the UK there would have been a lot of people who would have stopped a protest outside a funeral if they knew in advance that something like that was going to happen.
  11. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I wonder if "Free Speech" comes under Ethics :rolleyes:
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    hear hear
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