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This Should Worry Us All

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by KeithAngel, Aug 13, 2017.

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  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    The Government is using Brexit to take control away from citizens and give it to corporations
    We will lose our rights, if the Government gets its way, to sue for compensation in court when they act illegally and infringe our rights at work, or our right to a clean and healthy environment
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    To listen to David Davis you would think that the Great Repeal Bill was nothing more than a tedious administrative errand. His rhetoric suggests that despite the name, it will repeal nothing. It is simply something we need to do in order to translate EU law into UK law in time for Brexit. Nothing else will change. Those who disagree are just trying to cause trouble and frustrate the outcome of the EU referendum.

    The Great Repeal Bill will start to be debated in early September. But leaks already show that Davis is wrong – fundamental rights and powers that ordinary citizens currently enjoy will be scrapped.

    This week we have discovered, for instance, that British citizens will no longer be able to sue the government for breaking the law. We will lose our rights, if the government gets its way, to sue for compensation in court when the government acts illegally and infringes our rights at work, or our right to a clean and healthy environment"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...l-bill-corporations-trade-deals-a7889926.html
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    The government will be held to account - it's called democracy. With the return of our sovereignty we can become a truly democratic society again. Of course Brexit will mean there will be winners and losers but if this is combined with a return to capitalism, then it will be for the many and not the few....

    And lovely - they also get a quote in from the latest human rights group - atheists just making up stuff as they go along. All these rights - the right to have a job, the right to an income, the right to an education etc. Utter nonsense.
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  4. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Too much paranoia.

    :D
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  5. walesrob
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    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    Given up on the Indie, they employ third rate journalists to print utter tripe. As for these so called journos speaking to "experts", they need to learn in order to make a news story credible they need facts, balance and checks. Indie journos (and the others) don't do that, so as far as I'm concerned its just white noise.

    Surely anyone can see post-Brexit we can hold our Government more accountable for what they do - any future Government will be unable to blame "Brussels". Isn't that a good thing? Do people seriously believe post Brexit we will have a dictatorship in place where all rights are swept away after we leave the EU? I smell desperation.
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  6. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Is it still printed?

    I thought it failed and went "online only".
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    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    Interesting quote from David Davis ... "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy."
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    Francovich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francovich_v_Italy is a law that was brought in by the EU that should for example have protected CampelloChris and his wife in Spain and still should even though he has had a terrible time with the Spanish.

    The issue is that the Great Repeal bill, which sounds great incorporating all existing EU law into British law, has the power for serious abuse, it is in the exceptions the things that they choose not to incorporate where the problems lie and given the sheer number of laws which will be processed watching those exceptions is of utmost importance.

    We currently live under the provisions of those laws, therefore removal of any of them directly affects you and me and all of the rest of us, so when those choices are being made behind closed doors where is the accountability.

    That article refers to Francovich and there are plenty of other news sources stating that this is what the government is proposing, and this is just one instance, the excuse is that they believe Francovich is linked to EU membership and therefore no longer relevant to the UK, well it would still be relevant in the UK in the sense that many other laws which were brought into effect over the last 30 odd years would have had this redress automatically attached and I can't see a valid reason why this provision should be removed from all those other laws simultaneously.

    This is basically a direct attack on UK labour law where hitherto there would have been recourse to sue the government for failure to implement or adhere to measures agreed while we were members of the EU, this is one of the most vulnerable areas, one small clause in the repeal bill can have huge dramatic consequences for all of us and there will doubtless be hundreds of little clauses like this hidden away in the bill that will subtly weaken our rights.
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  12. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Corrected that for you.

    "Serious Abuse", are you kidding?

    At the end of the day, I would far rather trust our own democratically elected government to make decisions on such matters than the EU.
  13. walesrob
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    When the bill comes to parliament (next month by the way), this is where politicians from all sides do their job and dot the i's and cross the t's. Labour have made a big deal about this, so now its their chance to ensure the job is done properly so the Tories can't be seen to do some "serious abuse".
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  14. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Not kidding

    I will remind you of that when Jeremy is in Number 10:lol::lol::lol:
  15. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Jeremy who?
  16. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Agreed but the refrain from the Tory,s of such scrutiny will be "Its Brexit Sabotage":rolleyes:
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    I don't have a lot of faith in the competency or motives of either side at the moment.
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    It won't just be in the Chamber where MPs will do their work, this Bill will be hammered-out by the Brexit Select Committee, chaired by Hilary Benn, and by the House of Lords' EU Select Committee. Benn's Select Committee has 21 members which makes it almost double the size of any other Commons review panel.
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