UK to end freedom of movement for EU citizens on day one of Brexit, under new government plan

Without being partisan, where do we think the UK is heading?

I don't think de Pfeffel Johnson will get any more concessions from the EU. I think he will then fail at getting No Deal through Parliament.

This will trigger a No Confidence vote and/or EU Ref#2. We will have the option of Revoke Art 50 or No Deal. From this point, I wouldn't like to predict which way a new referendum would go.

However, I will bet my hairy left nut that we will not leave on Oct 31.

Britian has no intention of being a part of Europe and has frustrated evey attempt the EU has made to bring ever closer union to its members if Britain wanted to be an equal member it has had the last 40+ years to get on with it.

Clearly Britian and Europe are going in opposite directions politically Brexit will be a good thing for both partys in the long run.

Which goes to show the great deal Britain has (had) in the EU. Outside Schengen and not in the €. To be honest, I don't think membership of either would have been especially bad for Britain.

Other than those, I'm not sure what other "closer union" you are referring to. The non-existent European Army or abolition of identity of member states (as if the EU can extinguish the football rivalry between Germany and the Netherlands)?

Is the integrity of the UK more important to you than England's continued EU membership? One thing which I think is beyond doubt is that the Brexit will speed up the next Indyref in Scotland. Potentially Irish unification also, though I'm not sure on the likelihood of this. This is why I will often refer to Brexit as anti-British as it will jeopardise our United Kingdom.

Sorry I'm pro EU remain are quite happy to be in the club but don't want to give up anything to stay in.

Most countries in Europe have small populations and small military forces they need to band together for self defense.

They also have far more in common than they do with us a federal Europe is their only option and britain does not want to be apart of that.
In the end the EU would be far better off without Britain in it.

Ok.

Do you think smaller countries like Slovenia, Estonia, Finland, Slovakia etc who have gone through recent painful experiences for true independence from various Federations are now desperately chomping at the bit to create another Federation? Does Italy and France want to be part of a German dominated Federation (I'm assuming this is where the conspiracy is headed?)

The most important question though.

Is the integrity of the UK more important than EU membership, or are you prepared for the likely break up of the UK in exchange for England leaving the EU?

Part of joining was to sign up for ever closer union its always be that understanding since the treaty of Rome.

Britian is just 1 member why do you feel you are more important than that? integrity does not come into it as far s I'm concerned if you want in take the deal that was offered and you don't have to sign up for anything other than the customs union and the single market.

You can no longer have your cake and eat it

It is not debatable, Keith.
The referendum was decided by the people of the UK, and you continually try to forget the result.
Most people are not racist, they just had enough of uncontrolled immigration.
I don't know why you seem to be blinkered in this regard.

It is unfortunate that some people are affected this way but the majority of the people voted to leave.
The UK moves on in the direction of being unfettered by EU rules.

This is the same sort of scaremongering that the remainers promulgated before the referendum.
It did not wash then and it does not wash now.

THIS.…...whats so hard for people to comprehend?The people voted OUT,there,thats it.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...ss-say-eu-citizens/ar-AAG14Y0?ocid=spartanntp

Wont happen all you have to do is claim asylum and your case has to be looked at by the courts
Just a bargaining tactic no country would kick out 3 million tax payers over night

What a damned mess, to try to extricate ourselves from.

No wonder I voted 'NO' to joining this pain in the arse club, back in the 70s.

The problem of this proposal is The UK never bothered to insist on registration in the first 90 days of any EU Citizen coming here under treaty rights (the rest of the EU did)

If you remove it in 70 odd days (and thats not yet certain) without a clear new Immigration Act then how do you know which citizens have the right to remain as there are still 2 million unregistered (who have till Dec 2020 to apply).

From the link from you


“The idea of ending freedom of movement abruptly on October 31st in case of no-deal is reckless politics,” said Nicholas Hatton, the group’s founder. “It hollows out the prime minister’s unequivocal guarantee to EU citizens he has given only 3 weeks ago.

“Ending freedom of movement without putting legal provisions in place for those EU citizens who have not yet successfully applied through the settlement scheme will mean that millions of lawful citizens will have their legal status removed overnight.

“We have been calling for the settlement scheme to be a declaratory registration scheme, so all EU citizens who have made the UK their home are automatically granted status, as promised by those in government.

He added: “Otherwise this will open the door to mass discrimination under the hostile environment, with employers, landlords, banks and the NHS unable to distinguish between those EU citizens with the right to live and work in the UK and those without.”

It clearly is debatable Mike and I accept you might not like that

Now we have seen what 3 years of negotiation has achieved as a democracy we certainly have the right to leave on current terms or change our minds

Even David Davies believes that

The rest is just white noise

Ah an anogramme of "We no sh*te"

Top of the class Mr angel sir, so we aren't leaving? Do you have insider knowledge in the prime ministers inner sanctum mayhap?

Genuinely stumped here. What part is scaremongering? The Federal "United States of Europe" conspiracy theory, or another Scottish referendum in the event of Brexit?

Surely you must accept that Brexit will trigger another attempt for Scottish independence? I don't know how that could even be up for debate.

Which EU rules (which have been opposed by the UK) would you like to see scrapped?