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Are we doomed by our own destruction?

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Anon04576, Jun 18, 2015.

  1. Anon220806
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    Not sure if you have seen this one Oss. Pinatubu gets a mention here. And some potential solutions to the CO2 problem and global warming. You get to see the ice samples that are used to work out the CO2 content over the last 650000 years or so.

    Not sure where the Bangladesh Will Disappear bit comes from, maybe added by someone else.



    And seemigly a 3 part documentary series for the BBC, the first of which is this one:

    https://dotsub.com/view/01f9a868-7a02-410e-957a-cff96ad325fc
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  2. oss
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    Probably have seen it John but will watch again later.

    I've heard the issue about Bangladesh before, it is very low lying ground.
  3. Anon220806
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    It must have been on TV around 2010. I never saw it. I wasn't into climate change then.
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    A slant from a Filipino on the same subject. He mocks the west a little....

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    Yes it is, but Methane has a half life, it breaks down in the atmosphere and therefore is not the same persistent problem that CO2 is.

    The real issue is the methane clathrates that exist in huge proportions all over the planet, great source of gas if we could mine them but they may get released anyway as a result of ocean warming and if they do we are f*****.
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    What is good about Iain Stewart's stuff is that it reaches out to the layman. He is pretty good at that - he has even knocked out a video on that too.
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    Yeah he is a great communicator, I like that a lot about him, we have been lucky in this country to have so many great communicators, Attenborough being another clearly obvious one.

    And it is not just because he is a fellow Scot ;) :D
  8. Anon220806
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    He talks about Brian Cox and his style of TV presentation.
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    I forgot about Cox, I like him too, one of my good friends has a problem with his voice though :D

    And oddly enough I went to school with a lad called Brian Cox, not this one of course :)
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    You cant please everyone, all the time. :D
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    Winter is coming: Earth awaits ‘mini ice age’ in 15 years, solar cycle study suggests

    Published time: July 12, 2015 00:37
    Edited time: July 12, 2015 07:40


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    Nature, Physics, Science, Space, UK
    Earth is facing the prospect of a ‘mini ice age’ this century, with our sun’s activity projected to fall 60 percent in the 2030s, British astrophysicists say, based on the results of new research that they claim allows exact predictions of solar cycles.

    Our planet is just 15 years from a new ‘mini ice age’ that could cause extremely cold winters characterized by the freezing of normally ice-free rivers as well as by year-round snow fields in areas that have never witnessed such climate conditions before, a group of astrophysicists claim.

    The scientists could draw such a conclusion based on a new model of the sun’s activity that reportedly enables the researchers to make “extremely accurate predictions” of changes in solar activity.

    Although, the fact that the sun’s activity varies within a 10-12 year long cycles was first discovered almost two centuries ago, in 1843, all the previously existing explanatory models failed to fully explain the fluctuations with each cycle as well as between the cycles.



    Until now, the astrophysicists thought that the variations of the solar activity depended on the dynamo caused by convecting fluid deep inside the sun.

    The latest study conducted by a research team from Northumbria University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, and led by Professor Valentina Zharkova demonstrated that the variations in the Sun’s activity are caused by two dynamo processes – one deep in the convection zone of the sun and one near its surface.

    The research team analyzed three solar activity cycles that cover the period from 1976 to 2008 studying magnetic field activity of the sun during this time by using a technique called principal component analysis of the magnetic field observations from the Wilcox Solar Observatory in California.

    The scientists discovered magnetic waves in two different layers of the Solar interior that “fluctuate between the northern and southern hemispheres of the Sun.”

    “We found magnetic wave components appearing in pairs, originating in two different layers in the Sun’s interior. They both have a frequency of approximately 11 years, although this frequency is slightly different, and they are offset in time,” said Professor Zharkova.


    Later, they also compared their findings concerning the intensity of the Sun’s activity with each year’s data on the average number of sunspots – a strong indicator of solar activity.

    As a result, the team managed to create a very accurate model of predicting the solar activity fluctuations.

    “Combining both waves together and comparing to real data for the current solar cycle, we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97 percent,” said Zharkova.

    The study findings were presented at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno on July 9 andpublished in the Royal Astronomical Society papers.

    The model demonstrates that solar activity will fall by 60 percent by 2030 as the magnetic waves inside the Sun will become increasingly more desynchronized during the next two cycles, especially during cycle 26, which covers the decade between 2030 and 2040.

    “In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other – peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun. Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other,” Professor Zharkova said.

    “Effectively, when the waves are approximately in phase, they can show strong interaction, or resonance, and we have strong solar activity. When they are out of phase, we have solar minimums. When there is full phase separation, we have the conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum, 370 years ago,”she added.

    The Maunder minimum is a name of a period between 1645 and 1715 characterized by prolonged low solar activity as well as by extremely cold winters in Europe and North America as it also correlates with a climatic period between 1550 and 1850 called the ‘Little Ice Age.’


    http://rt.com/news/273169-solar-cycle-ice-age/



  12. Bootsonground
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    Ist its gonna get hot,then its gonna get cold,then its gonna get hot again!!
    Hot or cold?? Grrr.
  13. Anon220806
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    Cyclically yes. Maybe global warming will rescue us from that? :D
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    Or maybe this Mini ice age will save us from global warming!
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    Yes! :D
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    If we are canny and time it right, we should be able to burn off enough hydrocarbons to "landout" seamlessly with no perceptable change to climate or sea levels. :D

    Read all about it...


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16439807
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    Sadly no :) as I have banged on about in the past in many threads, the sting in the tail comes when such a natural cycle ends, the chances are that we are not in for something quite as bad as the Maunder Minimum precisely because global average temperatures have risen significantly since 1645, but when such a Solar cycle ends after 40 or 50 years, the temperature will likely rise with a vengeance.

    Start higher, get a bit colder, end up much hotter.

    The sun's variations during the Maunder Minimum were in the region of 0.2% and 0.4% less solar output than today, however the worst winter temperature reduction in northern Europe and Northern America was as much as -4.5 centigrade to -5 centigrade, a perfect example of a tiny variation having a pronounced and profound effect on climate!

    Summers at the time were cooler by about 0.7 centigrade in Europe.
  18. Anon220806
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    Yes. If only things were that simple as my tongue in cheek scenario of burning off some hydrocarbons to keep the planet warm in the next ice age.
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    So much power was produced by Denmark’s windfarms on Thursday that the country was able to meet its domestic electricity demand and export power to Norway, Germany and Sweden.

    On an unusually windy day, Denmark found itself producing 116% of its national electricity needs from wind turbines yesterday evening. By 3am on Friday, when electricity demand dropped, that figure had risen to 140%.

    Interconnectors allowed 80% of the power surplus to be shared equally between Germany and Norway, which can store it in hydropower systems for use later. Sweden took the remaining fifth of excess power.

    “It shows that a world powered 100% by renewable energy is no fantasy,” said Oliver Joy, a spokesman for trade body the European Wind Energy Association. “Wind energy and renewables can be a solution to decarbonisation – and also security of supply at times of high demand.”

    The figures emerged on the website of the Danish transmission systems operator,energinet.dk, which provides a minute-by-minute account of renewable power in the national grid. The site shows that Denmark’s windfarms were not even operating at their full 4.8GW capacity at the time of yesterday’s peaks.





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    Indeed. But so many of our core members seem to be against wind farms.

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