Brexit and Scexit

I have no anger, I am expressing my freedom of speech.

How about this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36754376

4.1 million people. BTW, I didn't sign that petition. Further, the petition was started by a Brexiteer on the eve of the referendum because he wasn't prepared to accept the result the other way.

I believe that if that petition was put back online today you wouldn't get half of those signatures, why? because of the reasons I have stated many times, most people have accepted the result.

And long may you express your views

That's the great irony in all this, of course. People come out with nonsense about 'remoaners' not accepting 'democracy', but the leave vote were refusing to accept a 52-48 victory even before the result was known, but suddenly went quiet on that once it was.

Even the leave voters' champion, Farage himself, was very vocal about that. Had remain won by a similar margin we'd never have heard the last of how there should be another vote.

The "Change Britain" poll taken just seven weeks ago is a lot more representative of current feeling than a petition over nine months old.​

Just to quote the summary:​

Based on a survey of 4.1m people, or fewer?

Nigel Farage said that if the vote was lost (for him) with a majority of 51-49 or even 52-48 then there would be "unfinished business". Had Remain won by 52-48, I would have fully expected Farage to not shut-up. Strangely, Farage's fan club here expect Remainers to shut up. That they do this under the guise of "democracy" indicates that there is a vacuum in the understanding of how a democracy works.

Basically, we have people here regurgitating the line "We won, you lost, get over it and grow a pair".

There was a poll on June 23rd that said most of the UK would vote to remain.

The problem with these polls is that the data is often tainted by the method of questioning, and by people giving false answers.

Give a statistician two surveys that gauge public opinion - one of 2,000 people, and one of 2m. Guess which one the statistician would apply more weight to.

You shouldn't encourage him!

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(Just kidding Bluebird )

How different things could have been if Enoch Powell had been listened to, and had Datsun not fitted a radio and radials as standard.

(And Honda an electric starter).

Marketing.

Anyone can pick a poll result that they want to. A website called 'Change Britain', which is pro-leave, is going to report it for their oen agenda.

Here's a poll from February 2017 (more representative than a poll from December perhaps) that says 'Remain' would win if there was another vote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-remain-win-leave-lose-uk-poll-a7576981.html

Interesting fourth paragraph in that article:​

With only 9.3% of those who voted to remain not voting to leave, 90.7% of those who voted to remain must have switched to the leave camp.

Either that, or the reporting and proof reading is so bad that the article has no credibility. ​

I think the 't' should be a 'w'

Why would a survey conducted for the Daily Mirror - a newspaper that supported Remain - be any more representative? It appears to be a poll it (the Mirror) conducted of its own readers who mostly supported Remain in the first place!!!

That was my whole point.

As I already said, it's easy to find a poll that suits your own requirements and report on it, the same as finding one on a site called 'Change Britain' says another thing that supports its own agenda too.

It was Independent, by the way, not the Mirror. I just googled and looked for a poll that gave a different result to the other one. Easy to do.

The comment about it being more representative was tongue in cheek based on Dave saying his poll was more representative because it was more recent. So I picked one more recent than his.

Anyone can pick anything to suit their own argument. It's all bollo.

I agree, you can find a poll to suit which ever side of the argument you are on, they are all totally irrelevant anyway as the decision has been made and there will be no turning back regardless of what the polls say.

Not according to the Independent (or the Mirror!) . This what the second paragraph of the Independent's story says (I've left its link to the Mirror article in place for reference):

Fair enough. Doesn't change my point, though, and had the article been from The Mirror I could just as easily linked that one.

Interesting, also, that you are keen to try and discredit this poll but haven't tried to discredit the one whose results you happen to approve of.

I didn't attempt to discredit the poll you cited, I simply asked you why you believed it to be more credible than the one I cited. I happen to agree with your more general point that polls can be slanted to give the answer the commissioner of that poll is looking for.