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Critically ill, and thousands of miles from home

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Anon04576, Aug 21, 2014.

  1. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    A lesson here: Always get insurance before you go away.


    A family from Northampton are desperately trying to raisefundsto bring their critically ill father home from the Philippines.

    66-year-old Peter Robinson is almost completely paralysed, and can only move his eyes, after suffering a stroke. His daughters say the hospital in Olongapo City, about 80 miles from the capital, Manila, will not discharge him unless they pay bills of tens of thousands of pounds.

    http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2014-07-15/critically-ill-and-thousands-of-miles-from-home/

    http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/upda...om-the-philippines-with-seriously-ill-father/
  2. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Or while you are living there.
  3. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Definitely a lesson to be learned without doubt.
  4. oss
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    Personally I would not consider that an issue and this story has more to do with the feelings of the UK family rather than any one else, at my age I could have a stroke here or if I were unlucky there, I had a friend who had a stroke at age 32, lots of things can happen in life.

    If I were living there then fine I have a stroke I will more than likely die as I almost certainly cannot afford any kind of treatment, I know that fact long before I ever settle there, heart attack the same, some other things I could maybe pretend I was coming back to the UK forever and get treated on the NHS, but the sudden fatal and partially fatal things, well I would have known what I was getting into long in advance.

    This is just UK sentimentalism, the guy probably knew what he was doing, me I would rather pop my clogs over there, I've been to Nov 1st rituals over there several times and it is a very touching experience.
  5. oss
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    Indeed but this chap had been there for years, for my short visits of up to 36 days yes I have always had travel insurance, that is just common sense, this guy wasn't eligible for travel insurance as he had settled over there, he would have had to have taken out seriously expensive medical insurance in the Phils to have had any chance.
  6. Anon220806
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    I see your point. In settling in the Philippines at a later stage in our lives we need to know the drawbacks of doing so and then make a concious decision to discount them. Makes sense to me. Not something I would do but we all can make that kind of decision for ourselves and why not.
  7. Markham
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    The hospital is breaking the law which was changed a few years ago (by Arroyo iirc) to prevent hospitals taking patients hostage for unpaid bills. It was a good little earner too as the hospitals could continue charging for accommodation, meals etc., during this period.
  8. Aromulus
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    Touching or not, I am sure, one won't pay much attention to those events, once one is 6 feet underground...
  9. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    Yes a conscious decision to take the risk which is all well and fine but although the family are concerned it sounded like they were slightly resentful that they now have to pick up the pieces.
  10. oss
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    Indeed Dom, but it makes me feel better to think that is where I will end up rather than where I am now, on one route to and from work (which I walk each day just now) I have to walk past an undertaker's, I have no friends in this small town, I know a couple of people but not well enough to count as real friends, my best mate died about 8 years ago in Scotland and the rest of my good UK friends are scattered around the country.

    Walking past that undertaker's every few day's is a reminder that I am "not where I want to be". :)
  11. Anon220806
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    Might be worth changing the route to work, if possible.
  12. oss
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    I do that's why it's every few days, I usually only go that way when I want to go to the supermarket at night or if I have some errand I need to do in the morning.

    My usual route takes me through woodland past a school where I see loads of kids going to school in the morning same age as James and Janna, which, every single morning, is a reminder, that I am "not where I want to be" :D

    Also I sometimes see Ana's friend taking her little boy to school they are only Filipino family I know here, Ana made friends with them when she was here in 2010.
  13. Dave_E
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    Interesting thought: he has been living in the Philippines for five years, how much would five years of comprehensive medical insurance (including UK repatriation cover) cost for a 65 year old man?

    Is that really the best thing for him?

    Quite right, why should they discharge him before the bill is paid.

    The hospital provided services that almost certainly saved their Fathers life, the bill needs to be paid.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2014
  14. Anon04576
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    I guess it would cost a bomb over that period at that age. I think he's gambled on not being ill but one can't rely on a bet.

    Is repatriation the best thing you mean? I guess it's a necessity now. No one there is going to take care of his daily needs.

    Yep wouldn't disagree, the bill needs to be paid
  15. Dave_E
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    So did he win, or did he lose?

    I have had a personal worldwide (excluding USA) comprehensive health policy for the past 20 years with only dental and optical claims over that time. I wish I had saved my cash.

    My current policy renewal cost is £3,000 per year, dental limit £320 per year, optical limit £100 per year, and I am over a decade younger than this Gentleman.

    Flying him back to the UK where he is (strictly speaking) not entitled to NHS treatment, despite having made a lifetime of contributions to the system (as he has been away from the UK for more than six months) makes little sense.

    Better to find nursing facilities to treat him locally in the Philippines till the inevitable happens.

    Any expat with a sound mind would surely rather expire in their chosen home rather than on a trolley outside a dirty NHS ward in the UK.

    Far better to have your ashes scattered in the Ganges, the Mekong or Subic bay.
  16. Anon220806
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    Why?
  17. Anon04576
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    I don't think he won or lost. His family lost in respect of having to repatriate him. I wasn't aware of the 6 month criteria on NHS but I'm sure he wouldn't be refused. Nice to have a choice of where to pop-your-clogs but for me it wouldn't really bother me as I'd already be 6 feet under
  18. Anon220806
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    LOL. If you are already 6ft under then you wouldnt have a choice of the Ganges or Subic etc.
  19. Anon04576
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    Yea that didn't come out right maybe. :) I meant if I were almost on my death bed I doubt I'd be worrying about where they finally lay me
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2014
  20. oss
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    You have to get round the six month rule by saying you are coming back for good , in this chaps case he probably would be, personally I have never been of the view that I want medical issues fixed at all costs, like Dave_e says better to end your days on your own adventure where you want to be, and where ever that may be.
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