Hear, hear...........

The thought occurs to me that :

1. Before the Crusades, Moslem Arabs attempted to conquer Europe and were defeated by Charles Martel in 732 at the Battle of Tours. It has been the opinion of almost every European historian that, had the battle gone the other way, Christianity would have ceased to exist and Europe would have become Moslem.

2. After the Crusades, other attempts at an Islamic conquest of Europe were foiled at the Siege of Malta in 1565 and another at the Siege of Vienna in 1529 and again in 1683.

3. For several hundred years, Moslems did not blow up aeroplanes, kill newspaper editors, strap bombs to little girls, etc.

4. Britain and France are often blamed for the state of the Arab world; what the Arabs conveniently overlook is that the British and the French freed the Arabs from the Turks.

What do you mean "the extremists are not connected", of course they are connected - they are the problem! Muslim extremists, terrorists, jihadists, Islamists - call them what you will, have chosen to deliberately misinterpret their holy scriptures to justify their desire to commit heinous acts against mankind. "Jihadism" is not a concept even remotely mentioned in the Koran, yet these radicals claim otherwise.

Over the weekend, Police officers were told to de-register themselves from the Electoral Register as this government-in-death-throes thrashes about and tries to be seen to be doing something - anything - in the wake of the Paris atrocities. So Police officers, Judges and members of the armed forces (the latter two groups having been already thus "advised") are to be disenfranchised, unable to play their part in selecting those who govern, a move that sets democracy back a few hundred years. Who's next? Remember that the Establishment will always protect itself first and foremost, the population at large is of little consequence.

Going through Parliament right now is The Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill, no surprise that it is sponsored by Theresa May (and Lord Bates), the Tory Cruella De Ville who'd dearly love to be Britain's first dictator. Her Bill received its Second Reading in the House of Lords last Wednesday (14th January). Some commentators are of the opinion that if enacted, this Bill sets the foundations for Thought Police in Britain; it tells us what opinions we should have, or should not have. Whilst undoubtedly drafted with Muslim extremists in mind, its provisions will affect all of us and with it enacted, we will lose more of our freedoms. The rights of many are sacrificed not only to "protect" us against the few but also to protect the rights of that few. Indeed discussions such as this very thread could well fall foul of the law.

Rather than restricting the freedoms of the overwhelming majority of the population still further - a population that includes most Muslims living in the UK - why not take tough, decisive action against those who seek us harm or support those who do. Round-up, imprison and/or deport all those who support terrorism in any way. Their fate should be determined by a panel of Judges, sitting without a Jury, and only appealable from outside the United Kingdom. All Human Rights legislataion should be suspended in such cases as the rights of the majority - the right to life itself - is of cardinal importance and outweighs those of persons who seek to harm us. We need to rid ourselves of this societal cancer before it's too late.

Military court comes to mind. No interference from Human rights.

The problem with that is that a lot of them are British. Some are even British born. So deport them to where?

I think the 7/7 bombers were British born.

And you can't imprison people just for having an opinion. So you can't really do much until they emerge and do something.

Those claiming British citizenship by birth would serve indefinite prison sentences but those who've acquired citizenship should be stripped of it and deported from whence they came.

Tell Mrs May that. Her Bill says she can. One more reading in the Lords and then it goes for Royal Assent. Could be law Real Soon Now.

It would appear to be the case that Military courts and tribunals are bound by the Human Rights Act as well as the Criminal Justice Act and Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) - plus a string of other military and civil statutes.

Yeah? Well that's just Mrs May infringing people's human rights as per usual then.

So who would you imprison? Anyone who tries to justify the reasoning behind the terrorist attacks? Would you stick Aposhark in gaol, for example?

Ah, so that's okay then, is it? Once a freedom is lost, it is seldom returned.

That's a decision that's above my pay grade. But MI5 and MI6 could probably fill Belmarsh Prison with hate clerics, IS and Al Qaeda recruits and others who believe that Jihad is trendy and cool.

What has Egyptian issues got to do with extremists?

Your observations are mostly draconian and would not help one little bit.
There are many Muslims who live in the UK and people who sympathise with Muslims. Would you round up and imprison large sections of UK society?

"Seek to harm us". Mark, you live thousands of miles away in another continent.

I offered suggestions on how to stop more loss of life.

I don't see many suggestions to stop further bloodshed, only the usual moaning and Islamophobic comments.
This forum is getting more like the darkside.

What pay grade? Do you work and pay taxes in the UK like many on here?

Many people in the UK hate atrocities, me included.

What solutions do you have to stop further bloodshed apart from locking up a massive part of UK society?

No. It's not okay. It's an outrage, as are other things that that woman has come up with.

You might like to read-up about the Muslim Brotherhood with particular reference to Coptic Christians.

That's not what I said which, to save you referring back, was "Round-up, imprison and/or deport all those who support terrorism in any way".

And what? Graham made the same point in post #67 and was shot-down by Walesrob (#69).

I don't see any Islamophobic comments but plenty from people who do not agree with your point of view - does that make them Islamophobic? The only pers0n I see moaning is you!

I used a figure of speech that means that I am not qualified to make that judgement; it was not intended to be interpreted literally.

Do you believe that "a massive part of UK society" is engaged in terrorism or supports terrorism? If so, don't you think it would be wise to get these people off the street before they do something stupid, like kill someone? Or would you prefer to appease the radical Muslim element in the UK.

Britain has used special courts (Diplock) and 'rounding up' of suspects and detaining them without trial (Internment) as tools against terrorism before.

Both only served as very effective Recruiting Sergeants for the terrorists of the day - The IRA.

Do you believe that "a massive part of UK society" is engaged in terrorism or supports terrorism? If so, don't you think it would be wise to get these people off the street before they do something stupid, like kill someone? Or would you prefer to appease the radical Muslim element in the UK.

Markham. I admire your persistence but I think you are flogging a dead horse here to be honest..
Certain people will never realize the true gravity of your points until they,or one of their own become affected by these issues.
My solution for me and my family was to leave whilst the going was good..
Meanwhile..I`ll just continue to watch from a safe distance..(if such a place exists these days)

Give it a rest, Mark

I don't agree with you on many points relating to this thread but you continue to ask me questions that I don't feel I have to answer due to your bias.

Another person who comments about gravity of the situation yet is an expat in the Philippines who doesn't pay taxes in the UK.

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Glad to be of assistance.

Yes, indeed.

It's funny, a lot of people in the UK have forgotten the dangers that 'The Troubles' created. Diplock courts, internment, the Special Powers act...all spectacularly backfired. It was a huge recruitment bonus for the IRA, as those who went in innocent came out wanting revenge.

Being Irish in England at that time wasn't always fun. But at least one could shut one's mouth, or learn a different accent. How would I feel now if I was a moderate muslim, like most, and some people were to look at me and feel hatred because of my skin? I think most people don't understand what it is like to live with real prejudice, and sadly that is only going to increase thanks to a few nutcases.

As a British Citizen abroad (and a British tax payer),I am still entitled to vote in the next general election. A right that I intend to take full advantage of!
Sorry!