Hear, hear...........

Don't believe you pay taxes to the UK

It may be a surprise to you but people who comment about issues in the UK from another continent come across as hypocrites. Sorry.

Another expat?

Not at all. I defelcted his shot with deft skill and fired a stunning return salvo in #73.

Nobody shot anyone down.

Thanks for correcting your spelling

Where have you been this last millennia?

We have always been told what to believe, or what not to believe. We had the Church. We had a feudal system. We then had capitalist landowners. Conscription. A media system that could be leant on, and used to set trends like materialism, health fads and so on. A pliant population, desperate to meet their mortgages.

The biggest fly in all of this has been the internet, and the communication revolution. It has gone from a friendly plaything to something that cuts across borders, upsetting the status quo, and often hard if not impossible to be controlled, thanks to VPN and so on.

Valid reason or not, there was always going to be a backlash from the powers that be, and in fairness, the internet does pose threats. However, the fact that people are being arrested for something they type on the internet, and the fact that police spend most of their time dealing with these 'crimes', should show the way it is going.

But really, there is not much difference. There has always been threats, and always will be threats. Keeps our heads in the trough, keeps us questioning those that run things too much. Keeps the world turning.

Where do you live in Phils?

Hope you are far away from problems in the South.

"Don't believe you pay tax in the UK"

I only wish you were correct..Its not something that I`m proud of!
I`d rather have it all back in cash to be honest..An 8 year refund,lump sum would be nice if you feel that I`m not entitled to pay it! Can you have a word? Ha ha.

"It may be a surprise to you but people who comment about issues in the UK from another continent come across as hypocrites. Sorry."

Tough..
I will exercise my rights as a British citizen abroad and cancel out your vote....Sorry!

I have employed the ignore button in your favour.. Good bye!

I am glad Bootsonground has ignored me.
I have been on this forum for years and he has just joined.
I believe he is from the darkside anyway.

To make a post highlighted in bold and a large font about Islam is juvenile. (See previous post re: Angola.)

I worked in many Muslim countries as a civvy and I'm guessing he is ex-army and perhaps not the best person to ask for ideas on an agenda to stop more bloodshed.

You never read any of my posts about why I believe we have extremists on the loose.
You never offered any ideas on how to stop the atrocities except to make comments like "round them up" or words similar.
My comment about Egypt was meant to indicate that that country is not pertinent to what is happening with the extremists now.
If it was, Coptic Christians would be angry. I worked in Egypt more than 15 trips BTW and saw Coptic Christians there.
Perhaps if some of the members here who attack the Muslim world without mentioning the muslim moderates had worked with so many Muslim people like me, perhaps they would be more empathetic.
I apologise to you about you mentioning you living in Phils and posting about the UK.
It was uncalled for.

Your apology is accepted but I hope it also applies to the other Expats who have commented.

I wonder if you agree with the sentiments expressed in this video:



The angry young man is Aysh Chaudhry, a twenty-two year old trainee lawyer with Clifford Chance in London. Well, he was a twenty-two year old trainee lawyer earning a reported £40,500 a year, he may not have a job today following the recent uploading of his 21 minute rant to YouTube (which has since been made unavailable). In fairness to him, I should add that he has since issued what has been described as "a grovelling apology" - possibly in an attempt to save his career which must now be in question. That aside, he was born, educated, works and lives in the United Kingdom and yet he shows little regard for the British way of life and even criticises his fellow Muslims for condemning the Paris atrocities. He refers to non-Muslims using the derogatory term "kuffar" and blamed the west for the attacks in Paris.

Chaudry claims that freedom of speech is a "bankrupt ideology" and stated "we need to remove this Western cultural lens with which we are viewing and responding to attacks on Islam from our eyes. Stop putting freedom on this pedestal. This is a value stemming from secular, liberal beliefs. We don't need a value which stems from a bankrupt ideology". How ironic that he should launch his attack on the freedom of speech from within a country that upholds that freedom: that would not be so in a Muslim country.

Clifford Chance's rather wishy-washy statement regarding their employee's anti-British rant was simply that the law firm did not share his views. A spokesman for a Jewish-Muslim interfaith group that tackles religious and political extremism in the UK described the law firm's response as "deplorable", stating "that Clifford Chance has responded so weakly is deplorable. I'm sure they would have no hesitation in taking immediate disciplinary action against someone with neo-Nazi views, so I'm not sure why this is different. I don't believe any respectable company or organisation would hesitate in taking immediate disciplinary action against an employee who has made these comments".

Mr Chaudry may or may not support terrorism right now but I'm quite sure his name is now on the list of people the security services are monitoring.

You condemn my desire to see all terrorists, their sympathisers and supporters either locked-up or deported as being "draconian". What would you call the murder of my fiancée and the rest of the crew and passengers, some 259 persons, on board "Clipper Maid of the Seas" as well as 11 more on the ground in December 1988? Was not the deliberate driving of two aircraft into the twin towers of the World Trade Center, sentencing 2,753 innocent people from 115 countries to death, not 'draconian'? Wasn't the public 'execution' of Fusilier Lee Rigby close to his barracks also 'draconian'? Or the killing of 52 commuters in London in July 2005 not 'draconian'? These are just some of the outrages extremists have carried out in the name of Islam - were any of justified or excuseable? Absolutely NOT!

And whilst we're at it, what about Muslim on Muslim violence - important to consider if you're advocating parleying with those who demand the introduction of Sharia Law. Death by stoning for women adulters - is that not 'draconian'? Or how about public beheading for apostasy? Or what about forced prostitution for non-believers? Or death by firing squad for watching a football match on TV?These are all punishments meeted-out by Muslims, the first two of which are official punishments in Saudi. Is this the kind of society you wish to see in Britain?

Mark,

You know I disagree with your line of thinking and I am not about to change.

The point for me is that these terrible extremist acts have happened and will happen again and the world has to try to stop them from happening.
Stopping them from happening is to understand what makes Muslim people do what they do.
The original post was about Charlie Hebdo and I still say that their cartoon is a terrible insult to Islam and more deaths will result from it.
Muslims hold Muhammed in more respect than their mothers and that shows what these cartoons will do.

If the world addresses some of the issues I made in my agenda I posted earlier I think less bloodshed will be happen.
If the status quo continues, more innocent people will die and that is a terrible shame.

Many of your points in your last post show the Muslim world in a bad light and it would be just as easy to highlight the West's failings too.
You are obviously very upset about your fiancée and I am sorry that happened to her and how it made you feel.
How would you stop such atrocities from happening again?

I have already answered that. Twice. Appeasement is not the answer. Unless you don't mind living in a caliphate.

With regards to the points you have a problem with in my earlier post today, they are unfortunately, the truth.

And Charlie Hebdo lampooned the Pope with a far greater frequency than the Prophet but you don't see TV news items of mass demonstrations in St Peters Square with the burning of the French Tricolour.

I won't answer many of your points because I don't agree with many of your ideas; what you believe to be the truth is your prerogative but it doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. Some will but some don't.
I would have thought the best way to move forward is to try to address the issues that cause these problems in the first place.

It is pretty useless to compare Muslims with Catholics as they are two different religions with different ways of showing their beliefs.
I don't follow any religion but believe that the expansion of the Jewish state in Israel was a big starting factor in what we have today.
Between 2,127 and 2,310 Gazans were killed (including 513 children) in the 2014 attacks on Palestinians in Gaza.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel–Gaza_conflict
That is disgraceful. THAT is terror.

I think we should just agree to differ and leave it like that.
Don't you agree?

Are most victims of terrorism Muslim?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30883058

From the graph, we can see that the most fatalities from terrorist attacks were in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It is a small step to see that the West invaded those two countries so logically boots on the ground caused the deaths of 50,000 people.

As most acts of terrorism seem to be carried out by Muslim extremists that would seem to be highly likely.

A shame that so many innocent people of all faiths are killed and maimed in the process.

Yeah, its a shame that the west attacks Muslim countries and supports Jewish Israeli expansion.

Since the US and UK were instrumental in the creation of the State of Israel, we have a duty to protect it.

What about the protection of the Palestinian Muslim population who were indiscriminately murdered in Gaza in 2014?
Are Muslim children and Muslim babies worth less than Jewish children and babies?

Might I suggest you ask Hamas those questions.

From Wiki:
Between 2,127[28] and 2,310[25][27] Gazans were killed (including 513 children) [27][55] and between 10,895[30] and 11,100[27] were wounded. 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[56] and one Thai civilian were killed[21] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[23] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[21][26][30] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[31][57] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[58] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[59] 17,200 Gazan homes were totally destroyed or severely damaged, and 37,650 homes suffered damage but were still inhabitable.[21] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[60] to 8,000[61] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocket and mortar attacks.[60] Nearly 3,000 properties in Israel suffered direct damage from rockets and mortar shells fired from Gaza.[49]

Unsurprising that Muslims around the world are very angry with the above facts.