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Jeremy Corbyn has won the first battle in a long war against the ruling elite

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by KeithAngel, Jul 16, 2017.

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  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ruling-elite-antonio-gramsci?CMP=share_btn_fb

    To stop Jeremy Corbyn, the British elite is prepared to abandon Brexit – first in its hard form and, if necessary, in its entirety. That is the logic behind all the manoeuvres, all the cant and all the mea culpas you will see mainstream politicians and journalists perform this week.

    And the logic is sound. The Brexit referendum result was supposed to unleash Thatcherism 2.0 – corporate tax rates on a par with Ireland, human rights law weakened, and perpetual verbal equivalent of the Falklands war, only this time with Brussels as the enemy; all opponents of hard Brexit would be labelled the enemy within.
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  2. aposhark
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  3. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    The link does provide a bigger picture Mike:)

    Who knows what "The British People" thought:rolleyes:
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  4. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    written by a former self confessed former follower of far-left Trotskyist politics,rather biased!
  5. Aromulus
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    As an outsider looking in..........

    The "People", in its majority, voted for Brexit..........
    Why some "people" in the minority don't want to abide by the result...??

    This is getting worse than in a banana republic, where everything is sorted out with AK47's.

    If the vote had gone the other way none of this BS would have gone on
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  6. KeithAngel
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    The article is discussing underlying issues not banging a Brexit/Non Brexit drum do you guys read and think before reacting?:)

    "Brexit was an unwanted gift to British business. Even in its softest form it means 10 years of disruption, inflation, higher interest rates and an incalculable drain on the public purse. It disrupts the supply of cheap labour; it threatens to leave the UK as an economy without a market.

    But the British ruling elite and the business class are not the same entity. They have different interests. The British elite are in fact quite detached from the interests of people who do business here. They have become middle men for a global elite of hedge fund managers, property speculators, kleptocrats, oil sheikhs and crooks. It was in the interests of the latter that Theresa May turned the Conservatives from liberal globalists to die-hard Brexiteers.

    The hard Brexit path creates a permanent crisis, permanent austerity and a permanent set of enemies – namely Brussels and social democracy. It is the perfect petri dish for the fungus of financial speculation to grow. But the British people saw through it. Corbyn’s advance was not simply a result of energising the Labour vote. It was delivered by an alliance of ex-Ukip voters, Greens, first-time voters and tactical voting by the liberal centrist salariat."
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  7. Aromulus
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    Exactly...........

    It doesn't matter. No pint in going on around in circles.

    lost is lost.

    Wanted or unwanted benefits, or losses are all covered by the Referendum result.

    It seems to me, that it is a democratic vote only if it goes the EU way...
    No other choices entertained.......
    Load of dictatorship bunkum
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  8. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Thanks Dom for your considered responce much simpler when you can see things under that prism:)
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  9. aposhark
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    The article really doesn't adequately reflect the fact that the British people voted for Brexit, Keith.
    The referendum vote showed what the British people thought - we democratically voted for Brexit and that is what is now happening :like:

    "Brexit means Brexit". It is not so hard to understand.

    People who voted to remain should accept the outcome and move on.
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  10. KeithAngel
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    He wasnt trying to Mike ,Paul was attemting to pull away the veil and give us all a glimps of what lies beneath doesnt have anything to do with what we may like:)
  11. aposhark
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    The referendum has happened, Keith.

    The British people voted to leave the EU.

    It was black or white and not grey!
  12. KeithAngel
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    Then why bother negotiating Dont need a "Brexit" team at all waste of tax payers money
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  13. aposhark
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    The negotiating team is there to negotiate how we separate from the EU and secure the best outcome for the UK.
    It would not be good to leave under the terms the EU would prefer. Business doesn't work like that.
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  14. Markham
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    Keith is apparently at odds with his party's leadership. Keith wants us to remain in the EU but leaders, who are Bennite Eurosceptics, certainly don't. There is no way they could carry-out their programme of nationalisation and state support for key industries whilst remaining under Brussels'/Berlin's thumb.
  15. KeithAngel
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    We have already seperated from the UK just Europe to go:)
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  16. Markham
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    Huh?! By "we" do you mean the Labour Party? If so, I heartily agree! :p
  17. KeithAngel
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    I dont think there are any remainers on here who dont think The EU is in need of major reform and democratisation we appear to be heading for neither.

    Lets see in 12 months where we are I often find myself laughing last looking back over opinion from the last couple of years:)
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  18. Markham
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    As it was "democracy" that yielded the Brexit result, such democracy will never again be permitted to be exercised by EU citizens in case they too vote to leave. Merkel wants closer and tighter integration, she wants to consolidate her commanding position and eventually Brussels, Strasbourg and Luxembourg will cease to have any influence and in the long term, no part to play.
  19. KeithAngel
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    and you have chosen to live under such tyrany,what are we to make of it:lol::lol::lol:
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  20. Bluebird71
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    Farage said he wanted another referendum if the result was 51-49 or 52-48.

    Further, a Brexitter started an online petition asking for another vote.

    So, this would have carried on regardless of who won.
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