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London Bridge Incident.

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Brom27, Jun 3, 2017.

  1. Scotschap16
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    Scotschap16 Well-Known Member

    Fair point! :D:D

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  2. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    It maybe normal but doesn't mean it is acceptable,
    that's your view in which you are entitled to.
    I am sure they are!
  3. Scotschap16
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    Scotschap16 Well-Known Member

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  4. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    When was this supposedly written on Twitter? Is there a link to it?

    I googled part of the text plus the name and all that I came up was a post on a USA religious forum from 2015, with someone CLAIMING that someone had written it elsewhere.

    So I'm not convinced it's genuine.

    http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10607.20;wap2
  5. Scotschap16
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  6. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest

    Not acceptable at all.

  7. CampelloChris
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    CampelloChris Well-Known Member

    What a bunch of losers. You know who they remind me of?
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  8. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    1. Richard Emery‏@UrbanWordsmith Jun 4
      Richard Emery Retweeted Tony Bellew

      If this Hasan Ali is a genuine account he is exactly the kind of person that should be rooted out of society. For good of all communities.

      Richard Emery added,

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      Tony BellewVerified account@TonyBellew
      Start with this vermin! Make an example of him! We don't have to adapt to anyone! #GetThemOut
      3 replies8 retweets24 likes

    2. [​IMG]Eric Esch‏@Mattbowes80 Jun 4
      Anyone know Hasan Ali? I'd like to challenge him to a duel...

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      26 replies35 retweets75 likes

    3. [​IMG]David Holman‏@davidholman82 Jun 4
      What a piece of **** this Hasan Ali is! I hope this guy is in custody already! #PrayersForLondon pic.twitter.com/JWxfSCiQnH


      4 replies6 retweets23 likes

    4. [​IMG]Green&Whyte‏@DavidMurraycsc Jun 4
      Replying to @Mattbowes80
      Hasan Ali will probably be on the watched list. Door should be kicked in and put in jail just in case. **** him

      1 reply2 retweets24 likes

    5. [​IMG]James‏@Jamesrayner69 Jun 4
      James Retweeted Tony Bellew

      Get this rat out#hasanali

      James added,

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      Tony BellewVerified account@TonyBellew
      Start with this vermin! Make an example of him! We don't have to adapt to anyone! #GetThemOut
      1 reply9 retweets16 likes
  9. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    They are all posts of a jpeg, which has exactly the same words as a post on a USA religious forum from at least 2 years ago. There's no original tweet, just people posting a jpeg.

    It does look like a hoax to me.
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  10. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    how many islamic extremist terrorist attacks have there now been in the UK all told ?
  11. Bluebird71
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    Glasgow airport (no deaths) 2007
    July 7th (56 deaths) 2005
    Exeter bombing (no deaths) 2008
    The murder of Lee Rigby 2013
    Leytonstone Tube 2015 (no deaths)
    Westminster bridge attack (5 deaths) 2017
    Manchester (22 deaths)
    London Bridge ( 7 deaths)

    Three attacks in 73 days, and 24 innocent victims (figures above exclude perpetrators) murdered.

    25 deaths in last 11 years.

    I'm wondering if the last 3 months are a sign of things to come or are we just seeing a spike? The Manchester bombing is concerning because that took planning and co ordination.

    The two recent attacks on London could be arranged in a short amount of time, with no support from cells or "leaders".

    What do we do to stop this?

    It's difficult to say - I am seen here as being quite liberal and believe that rounding up all suspects would be counter productive.

    Maybe removing driving licences and passports from people on the watch list could help. It would prevent terrorists from hiring vehicles.

    Curfews or tagging may be another step forward for people on the watch list together with a ban on meetings of 3 or more people involving people on the list.

    I would even suggest that people on the list to have access to the internet restricted or removed.

    If UK citizens travel to ISIS controlled territories (without prior approval from the Government) - then this should be seen as a criminal offence akin to treason.

    If there are non U.K. citizens on the watch list then we have to quickly ascertain if they are a threat and, if so, they should be removed.

    The only issue is that such actions add strength to the people radicalising other people.


    What shouldn't happen is that we all lose some of our rights, that there is an increase in surveillance on law abiding citizens, that the internet becomes regulated (pointless and dangerous because laws become used for other purposes), and that the Snoopers Charter is extended so that people's internet browsing history becomes key evidence in any criminal trial.

    The last 3 months aside, terrorist attacks are rare in the U.K. Much rarer than in the 70s and 80s. Knee jerk reactions could do more damage than good, including my suggestions above.
  12. Dave_E
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    Typo, you mean 34 innocent victims in 73 days (5+22+7).

    I found a list of islamic terror attacks in "non muslim" Europe here:
    islamic terror attacks in Europe since 2001

    They can save money and hijack one instead, I think that happened in one of the recent French islamist attacks, was it the chap in the ice cream lorry?​

    I agree, surveillance of "law abiding citizens" is out of control in the UK, , crazy, wide open to abuse by the authorities.

    I don't understand why so many people use payment cards rather than cash for shopping, it allows interested parties to build up a complete profile of your movements and preferences.
    Political correctness has been pushed to its limits, good to see that the police now seem to be using a "shoot to kill" policy.​
  13. oss
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    Genuine question, how do you pay for your flights?

    We all know you travel a great deal, I find it hard to imagine that you pay cash for the flights, any other payment mechanism is going to be highly traceable, although flights are fundamentally traceable.

    Facebook, Yahoo, Google, Microsoft and everybody else is desperate to get your phone number once they have it and the permission for an app to track your GPS location (which most people will give voluntarily) they have what they need to build a really detailed profile.

    They are all number crunching locations of contacts, if you spend some time with a friend, in close physical proximity for a few hours in a pub, Facebook has probably worked that out that there is an association between you and that other person and the next thing you are getting suggested friends, their algorithms are looking to explore your contact network, this is only a tiny part of their strategy, if you ever confirm one of these you give away a huge amount of data about yourself.

    It should have occurred to you and others that in terms of anti-terrorist defence those who are not immediately on the radar are potentially more suspect, the phone that no one knows who it belongs to that moves from cell tower to cell tower is the one you worry about, that's a phone that was bought with cash, loaded with airtime via cash every time, still track-able and interesting to the authorities exactly because of what it is, and where it moves gives you links to loads of other phones that might not be so well shielded in terms of where they were sourced and how they were funded.

    It's not easy but the likes of GCHQ are doing this kind of analysis all the time, trying to stay off the radar can draw unwanted attention.

    Network analysis is a boon for all of us in terms of defence against terror networks.
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  14. Bootsonground
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    Who votes for these imbeciles?
    Does she really think she can bluff her way through the fact that she did not read an important security document???..
    What a lying and incompetent bitch!!
    To think,this could be the UK`s new Home secretary!!
    OMG!!


  15. Maharg
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    Unbelievably, one of the London attackers is one of the scumbags from that programme. So clearly they were just left to carry on afterwards.

    How can that be?
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  17. DJB
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    Personally I think its time to stop all the hugging and kissing and statements such as WE WILL REMAIN STRONG ... CITYUNITED all very well and good but meaningless rhetoric while our enemies laugh at us.

    Its time to kick politic correctness in the bin

    Time to accept that out solution(s) to this may offend certain groups, individuals and countries.

    1) We need help, suicide bombers/killers are new to us, we don't know how to deal with them, this is not the IRA. We must immediately ask the Israelis for any help or guidance that they can give us, they have been dealing with this for years.

    2) A statement issued to all Clerics and Muslim communities that says "Any suicide bombers/killers or the like WILL NOT BE GIVEN A MUSLIM FUNERAL"

    3) Anybody guilty off any terrorist attack, dead or alive, all of their assets will be seized and proceeds given to their victims families. Also if they have parents here in the UK then they too will lose their house(s) businesses and assets and proceeds divided as above. If the parents are not of UK origin then they will be deported back to their home country.

    I think this may put a stop to anyone thinking off committing a Terrorist act.

    Thoughts ???
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  18. bigmac
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    To take it further..a community responsibility. tax on all mosques in the country. To pay for the police and NHS cost incurred by these murderers. Also any dependants of victims to be able to get compensation from the Muslim religion. It's their mess..let them sort it out.
  19. Drunken Max
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    Firstly the 7/7 bombers were suicide bombers and other plots have been foiled so it is not new to us. some get through. There has been a statement on funerals for terrorists I believe. The criminal justice bill does also take property etc away to give to victims. There is also a seperate government fund for the victims of terrorism ( unles the Tories have cut it of course )

    The issue as I have said before is not religious, its cultural. The CPS QC who took the Rochdale grooming gang on when the white establishment had failed the girls was an Asian muslim, many doctors and nurses are muslim. White Christians wiped out 8000 white muslims in Srebrinica. The religion is just the vehicle for a cultural which is still in the dark ages that focuses on power and fear. That is why countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar are such good sources of funding, its what sustains their very system. It could just have easily been Christianity using the bible, in fact, its been used a number of times to make war but in different times.

    Having cultural identity is fine but people have to accept the British way of life which is after all very tolerant of most things apart from queue jumpers. So many muslim live here within the western culture happily yet retain their religious identity. The issue are those which choose not to. We have to be much more forceful in breaking down the communities that perpetuate this division. We also as a nation have to be more accepting to have people of other faiths in our communities. the first thing is to have a much firmer hand with preachers of hate and extremism, of any religion. Bring back Control Orders and shut them down, jail or deport them if they carry alternative citizenship.
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  20. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I think it's being reported that the police and others could not see him involved in any plot (2015)They the terrorists have now moved towards this rag and Bob terrorism of hijack/ hire a van a few knives or gun or make your own bomb much harder to pick up on the radar.

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