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New and with a tale to tell

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself' started by Steverob, Aug 23, 2015.

  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    had a look at the FoI link

    I make it 17 mins per app based on an 8 hour day that is fully used

    18 ECO,s x 144 hours (8640 mins) x 21 working days = 181,440 mins devided by 10500 apps per month = 17.28 mins thats not really maintainable though this does include all visa apps from a vast area some of which might be easy pass/fails not requiring very long compared to settlement visas for example
  2. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    This adds weight to making sure that your visa application is presented in a well organized manner so that the Case Officer can flick through without too much effort.
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  3. Steverob
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    Steverob New Member

    Ohhhh
    Here we go

    Have you taken into account
    Staff on holiday?
    With that amount of staff one or two
    Will always be on leave
    Staff on a rest room mission?
    Possibility of illness?
    Getting a coffee?
    Chatting to a colleague?
    Looking for a file?
    Adjusting their seat?
    And a dozen other things that may hinder a timed visa process.
    I allowed for these things
    I've worked in offices all my life
    And I've seen inflated time sheets
    Come across my desk in the past

    I quite often view job vacancies online in the Philippines , and I must have seen a dozen occasions where adverts are placed to recruit ecos from the area,
    Why?
    Is their a regular staff shortage ?
    Which does not form part of the
    Statistics that is referred to in
    The file I posted?

    I can also say that when we attended the
    Embassy to fill in forms etc prior to our
    Ceremony, we sat in the waiting room at the visa section,
    One elderly English guy was there before us,
    All are given a number and then called to the corresponding officer
    The room filled and emptied twice
    Before the English guy stood and lost
    His cool at the officials
    Complaining he had not even been seen yet and had been there two hours
    He was vociferous and rightly so
    Only then did a manager take him into the small private room on the right of the waiting room to deal with him.
    So inefficiency is inherent, because of workload,and as such corners are cut
    This is the real world we live in not an ideal world espoused by an foi official
    Who only looks up the details
    Probably on a different continent
    And has little understanding of reality

    And, that official bless her, is located I believe in Leicester in the UK.

    It is not mere chance that 4 out of 5
    Philippine visa refusals were reversed on appeal,
    It is also a statistic that out of 10500
    Average per month, 8400 , or 80%
    Are not reviewed by ecms,at all.

    For example,
    On I think it was our second or third application ,
    I provided 6 months payslips,
    Numerically and chronologically
    Listed.
    I also provided my latest p60
    Part of that refusal was because the Eco said one payslip was missing,
    And as such were allowed to calculate net
    I and three others who counted them
    Are still adamant all were provided.

    On another application,
    Our schoolboy mistake refusal by an Eco
    Was one that did not get reviewd,
    How many others like us are left to bear the cost and pain and suffering that
    Was avoidable?
    My payslips clearly stated gross
    He added net, then called it gross
    No amount of training as stated in the foi
    Reply can account for errors,
    Although saying everyone is continually trained makes us all feel better,
    It just ain't so.

    I tried to factor these in to prove a point,
    It would have been easier for me
    Not to post the response I did,
    But I have nothing to hide,
    I stand by what I said

    Sorry if this sounds cynical
    Two years of dealing with faceless
    Unaccountable officials who hold sway
    On real people's lives ,
    Makes me wonder what can and can't be believed in any answer or decision they make.

    I wish you all well

    Regards
    Steve
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  4. Dublin boy
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    Dublin boy Active Member

    :welcome: And enjoy your girl now she is finally over to the UK. A great story thanks for sharing
  5. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Steve having taken 3 years to do the European version Im no lover of the muppets in the FO of any nationality I love your FoI and wanted to give it the most generous interpretation possible as often when stats are used they tend to reflect an agenda (nothing to do with what your saying) and its often better to present the most conservative case possible to not be accused of massaging the numbers Im hopeful your request will help others in the future on for example judicial review or appeals

    Knowledge is Power cheers for the work:)
  6. Steverob
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    Steverob New Member

    Your both very kind
    And we genuinely thank you

    On a lighter note
    What on earth is she going to make of our weather?
    Now that really does concern me :)

    Regards
    Steve
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  7. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    my two sweety,s complain about heat not cold
  8. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Glad to hear that you are sorted,
    and your plans have not been thwarted.
    She might find the weather chilly
    but I think that's rather silly.
    Turn the central heating higher,
    throw a log onto the fire.

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  9. Howerd
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    Howerd Well-Known Member Trusted Member Lifetime Member

    I only did a quick calculation which was nearer your figure than the 5.5 minutes. But almost a £1,000 for 17 minutes? Surely the government must be making a profit even if it does now include the Biometric Residence Permit? All the gathering of documents is done by VFS Global and we have to pay for that as well.
  10. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    check out the super premium service--lol

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