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Planet of the Vapes: why is there a war on e-cigarettes?

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Bootsonground, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. oss
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    Yeah and why do you think the number is increasing do you think they are all trying to quit smoking or are a lot of them getting hooked on a new habit.

    The rest is utter nonsense.
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  2. Bootsonground
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  3. Drunken Max
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    Nonsense
  4. Bootsonground
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    Ditto.
  5. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Agreed.

    I remember visiting my Mother in Preston a couple of days after the UK smoking ban came into place.

    The once bustling local pub was deserted, there was hardly anybody there.

    A man woman and young boy were sat at a table in the middle, all drinking orange juice and looking out of place, not regular customers, seemingly just there so that the parents could gloat about the fact that smoking was banned.

    Sickening really.
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  6. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Smoking has been illegal in Philippine bars for almost 2 years.
  7. oss
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    I've only been in the country once in the last 2 years so I didn't notice, but good glad to hear it.
  8. PorkAdobo
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    I'm a non smoker. Never even experimented. I watched those shock-docs as a kid and could never understand why anyone in my generation (one of the first to be properly informed) tried smoking. Possibly goes to prove that I was a boring do-gooder, but I'll be hanging on to my lungs when my friends begin needing transplants.

    I support any move that gets people off cigarettes, so vaping has my support. However, it is absurd to allow it in enclosed public spaces like a pub. It is bad enough walking behind someone in the street who blows a nuclear mushroom cloud in my face. Having this in an indoor environment would be daft.

    Surely the product will evolve over the years so that the cloud is less obtrusive. However, I've always thought it must only be a matter of time before smart phone batteries will keep them juiced up as long as old school Nokias were. If the product can be less smelly (I don't care if it's candy floss flavour) and a minimal cloud, then problem solved. Vape away on the 14 hour flight to Manila.

    I don't blame the smoking ban for the demise of pubs. It's a generational thing. The younger crowd typically prefer wine bar type places which have managed fine without fags inside. The old customers in local pubs aren't being replaced as they die off - the only exception being the Rovers Return.
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  10. oss
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    The volume of air in a single breath isn't going to change, the product will never evolve it's an aerosol created by heating a liquid called propylene glycol also used in antifreeze although it's nowhere near as toxic as ethylene glycol antifreeze.

    I agree with you on pubs and on getting people off cigarettes.
  11. Bootsonground
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    No enforcement in our area..Went to local sports bar yesterday to watch the Pacquiao fight..
    It was like smokers paradise in there.
    It`s more fun in the Philippines!

    Propylene glycol is also added to food and beverages to improve taste and texture. It is not antifreeze.
    It is considered safe to use in the amount present in foods.
    It is considered non-toxic


    The trouble that many ex smokers have that I have talked to over the years is this..
    It doesn't matter how many years have passed since refraining..They still miss smoking.
    I wonder how many ex smokers are secretly having a crafty vape?
  12. oss
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    :lol: Utter bollocks, there is absolutely nothing about smoking that I miss, I have zero as in ZERO desire for the product.

    My biggest regret was starting in 1976 and the amount of money that went up in smoke.
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    You do seem to be a little defensive when there is absolutely no need..Not sure why that would be?
    It`s very far from being "utter Bollocks" when I hear the same kind of testimonies from quite a few honest long term ex smokers.. Of course not all ex smokers experience these cravings but it`s certainly not rare to hear of ex smokers that start smoking again after 10-15 years of abstinence.
    I suppose it`s similar to an alcoholic that will always be an alcoholic no matter how many minutes,days,weeks,months,years they manage not to have a drink.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and...ng-habit-i-know-it-s-crazy-but-i-do-1.3180564

    I quit smoking seven months ago. I do feel better, and don't struggle with cravings to smoke all of the time now, but I still have days when I miss cigarettes. I sometimes wish I could have just one now and then. At times, the urge to smoke is so intense. I wonder if I'll ever be free of this habit? Will I miss smoking forever?
    https://www.verywellmind.com/will-i-miss-smoking-forever-2824756



    Seven years after quitting, I still miss my fags
    They might be killers, but cigarettes are often still missed by those who gave them up

    The odd thing is that I haven’t gone off the fags; I still think wistfully of smoking. I once said to one of our daughters when she was about six: if I get to the age of 70 I might take up smoking again. Deadpan, she replied: “You could do that, daddy, because you’ll be nearly dead then anyway.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/act...ears-after-quitting-I-still-miss-my-fags.html
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  14. Aromulus
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    9 years and counting..
    And I don't miss smoking at all.
    O don't really care what other people do within the sanctity of their own 4 walls, but I get annoyed if someone invades my personal space with either smoke or vapes.
    I nearly came to blows with one of my ex colleagues for vaping in the office. The rule now is... vape or smoke go outside.
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    My father stopped in 1963 and never smoked again, my mother stopped for 8 years then her brother my uncle Hugh came back from Canada for a family visit and brought a load of cigarettes through duty free he didn't realise she had stopped it took her five years before she could get rid of the habit again.

    There are two main aspects to quitting smoking, one is the association of social situations with shared behaviour the other is the physical craving through the need for nicotine.

    The habit aspect is exactly that habit, some people find it hard to escape the physical actions involved, constantly needing something to do with their hands or associating a cigarette with a beer everyone that smokes has some aspect of that clinging to habit.

    The craving on the other hand is physical however that does diminish quite rapidly with time, most people get over the craving within about a month with the occasional feeling of craving reappearing every now and then for up to a few years, in my case it was rare after the first year and I was a very heavy smoker.

    In the 10 years I smoked I stopped three times once for nearly a year, third time was the charm and that was 33 years ago.

    You implied that everyone that ever smoked has a secret desire to smoke again, you must be taking to a very limited cross section of the community, in my experience everyone I've met that got rid of the habit for more than a few years is delighted and would never contemplate a return to it.

    Smoking killed one of my best friends when he was 49, he looked like he was in his late 60's and was walking with the aid of a stick at that age, tragic.
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    Bad news, Boots: new research by the American Heart Association indicates that E-cig use raises heart disease and heart attack risks by forty percent and fifty-nine percent respectively. Users are also at a seventy-one percent higher risk of stroke.

    Read article here.
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    Vape shops,interesting,i have two separate friends who own vape shops,both sell CBD flowers AKA cannabis with 0.3 THC content but higher CBD cannabinoid percentages,a lot of vape shops are stocking it.
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  18. Bootsonground
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    Thanks.. Can you find a source to the exact and complete study.. I`d be interested to read it thoroughly before commenting.
    Unfortunately the mail online article as usual was probably nothing more then the usual sensationalist twaddle.
    Cheers.
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  20. oss
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    Here you go, its a bit technical and complicated so you probably won't like it, experts and all that kind of inconvenient stuff that are so much easier to dismiss by quoting a consumer organisation.

    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.117.029153

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