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Why 99% Of Movies Today Are Garbage

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by aposhark, Nov 2, 2022.

  1. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

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  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    He's spending a huge amount of time saying that Star Wars and Justice League are crap and I agree they are crap and Star Wars always was crap from the beginning.

    But to his point that 99% of movies are crap, no that is just not true, there are many fine movies made even today.

    Franchises by definition are going to deliver a product and the result may not be great but it will be defined, calling Lucas a genius that we will not see the likes of again is laughable, Lucas is very very far from being any kind of genius.

    His focus is very Star Wars in the first half of the first video, and Rodenberry was not that smart either but I do respect what he created Star Trek transformed me and my life in the late 1960s.

    Movies are dissolving into series, and big screen is not so different from big home cinema anymore.

    Take the example of "His Dark Materials" a series made for BBC TV which is cinematic and truly wonderful and I am so looking forwards to season 3 some really deep science concepts in there in that one.

    Or look at Good Omens by Terry Pratchett as done for Amazon Prime, a brilliant 6 hours worth or "The Rings of Power" first 8 hours or so again a brilliant beautifully filmed piece of story telling.

    I'm a fan of the MCU the Marvel Cinematic Universe because I grew up with Marvel and have a huge collection of comics from the 60s and 70s, some MCU movies are good some are quite poor and some are truly excellent.

    Then you get great films like "Hidden Figures" a true historical account of the huge contribution of 3 black female mathematicians to the US space program, I loved that film.

    And then you have "Contact" everyone loves to hate that film because it is concepually too hard for them but that was a true masterpiece, simplified from Sagan's book which was even more mind blowing at the end of the book the aliens reveal that they know that they are being sent a message of some kind, from another level of existence, via mathematics, information, via transcendental numbers like "pi" when you get far enough into the decimal places but they havent figured it out yet.

    This guy's comments are very narrow, but it would be true that my likes and leanings are quite narrow as well but in that narrow focus I don't find anything like 99% of movies being garbage :)

    "Star Wars", Magnificent Seven, Seven Samurai, rip off, I'll give Lucas the credit that what he brought in technically in the age of film was truly marvellous but the story telling wasn't really anything special.
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  3. PorkAdobo
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    Oh wow. And I used to think you were the sole voice of moderation and reason on this site!
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  4. aposhark
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    I am thinking :D
  5. Druk1
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    I never watched star wars, I always thought it was for kids :rolleyes:
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  6. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    You beat me to it. I never watched them when they were released but did so over the last few years when my kids wanted to see them.
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  7. Druk1
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    I did actually see a few people dressed up as star wars characters on an escalator in Waterloo Station, the closest I ever actually got to the film.
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    I get a shot of escapism when I watch them. Whilst recognising gene Roddenberry's "Star Trek" as a precursor with merits of vision, and for the time state of the art special effects, I find Star Wars movies more enthralling and exciting.
    I suppose I never lost that "kid" in me... Or never managed to grow up..

    retirement is the second childhood indeed..
  9. bigmac
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    ive never watched any of the lord of the rings stuff.
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  10. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    likewise never watched Star Wars or Harry Potter
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    You tube and the likes have an impact on movies, peoples retention span is dwindling and/or the desire to sit for 2 or 3 or more hours to watch a feature film have long gone hence series.
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    I first saw Star Wars probably on TV I don't remember now, I didn't go to the cinema much back then, but I did also buy them all at one point and I went to see the revamped cleaned up version with all the added new effects whenever it was that came out, saw that in the Glasgow Odeon in one of their big theatres.

    I've seen all the prequels and sequels and I actually liked Rogue One that was quite a good standalone story, I've got Disney+ now and have watched the Mandalorian and the recent Obi-Wan series, I do watch this stuff but it's still mostly crap :D watchable crap but still crap :D I've always liked teh effects though.

    It's just that I am a sci-fi purest, there have actually been very few actual science fiction films ever, almost all movies labeled as sci-fi are really just fantasy really just fairy tales, of the true sci-fi movies 2001 mixed science and religion, Contact had strong science all the way but speculated a bit but was also engaging, The Abyss was good but stretched the science and credulity a bit too far with the water manipulation stuff, The Day The Earth Stood Still, that was good in it's original version.

    I'm just picky :D
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    Fireball xl5 was good:lol::lol::lol::like:
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    Fireball XL5 was brilliant, it was fantastic, especially for a 4 to 5 year old :D

    And Space Patrol and Supercar.

    The thing you learn later in real science classes is that the scale of the Universe portrayed in programs like Fireball XL5 was utter nonsense, far too small but Fireball got you thinking about it in the first place at a time when real people were going into space exploring and aiming for the moon, so yes fantasy but fantasy with a hard science purpose and value behind it.

    These fantasies led eventually to an appreciation of hard science and engineering and that interest in the hard stuff which it kindles eventually leads to true understanding which lets you distinguish fantasy from fiction.

    There is another name for sci-fi which also encompases the fantasy aspect and is one I much prefer indeed always prefer particularly when talking about books and that is "Speculative Fiction", sci-fi as a genre will eventually die out and the trend towards fantasy is evidence that it is dying already, the Marvel stuff is all fairy tales and very entertaining fairy tales but really nothing more, but the scope of subjects that we can story tell about will dry up, you see that already in all the remakes, it's hard for them to come up with new ideas in movie land.
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    You shatter all my childhood dreams! Here’s me thinking the universe ended outside the confines of the dens we used to build as 5 year olds. That aside I soon got bored of Fireball xl5 and moved to Stingray, that Marina( I think that was her name, half women half fish) was a hot chic;)
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    We built dens in the back garden, in the tenement building I lived in the back garden was interesting because it had coal cellars for each flat a covered bin area and the wash house there were two wash houses in our back yard, and the dikes (our term for the walls in the garden) it was a fantasic adventure playground some of my friends didn't have indoor toilets just a few doors from us, we had indoor toilet and bath but occasionally my mum would use the wash house for doing the laundry.

    That was a great Universe to grow up an play in and we used to play Fireball XL5 launching ourselves up the path on one side of the garden, it was fun, and it was a visually and mentally interesting place, that same tenement has no character now it's all been made flat and uniform but for me it was a place where my imagination could grow and grow accurately, my complaint with some movies is that yes they might fire the imagination but they fire the imagination in directions which are not based in reality, but there are a lot of movies that still fire the imagination in directions which are based in reality, I just think that the proportion of garbage is a lot less than 99%.

    I liked Marina too, a poor mute lassie, handicapped but Troy fell for her anyway, she was not a mermaid but she was a slave in the undersea kingdom.
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    This is a list that I saw on the internet, sorry I don't have the source.
    I downloaded the list because I was hoping to get pointers to good movies.
    I don't see many new movies so this, to my mind, indicates that the main thrust of the thread is true.
    Hardly any movies that I have seen over the last ten years and made in that timeframe has stuck in my mind yet many of the movies below still resonate for me.

    Citizen Kane (1941)
    Casablanca (1942)
    The Godfather (1972)
    Gone With The Wind (1939)
    Lawrence Of Arabia (1962)
    The Wizard Of Oz (1939)
    The Graduate (1967)
    On The Waterfront (1954)
    Schindler's List (1993)
    Singin' In The Rain (1952)
    It's A Wonderful Life (1946)
    Sunset Boulevard (1950)
    The Bridge On The River Kwai (1957)
    Some Like It Hot (1959)
    Star Wars (1977)
    All About Eve (1950)
    The African Queen (1951)
    Psycho (1960)
    Chinatown (1974)
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
    The Grapes Of Wrath (1940)
    2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
    The Maltese Falcon (1941)
    Raging Bull (1980)
    E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
    Dr. Strangelove (1964)
    Bonnie And Clyde (1967)
    Apocalypse Now (1979)
    Mr. Smith Goes To Washington (1939)
    The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre (1948)
    Annie Hall (1977)
    The Godfather Part Ii (1974)
    High Noon (1952)
    To Kill A Mockingbird (1962)
    It Happened One Night (1934)
    Midnight Cowboy (1969)
    The Best Years Of Our Lives (1946)
    Double Indemnity (1944)
    Doctor Zhivago (1965)
    North By Northwest (1959)
    West Side Story (1961)
    Rear Window (1954)
    King Kong (1933)
    The Birth Of A Nation (1915)
    A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)
    A Clockwork Orange (1971)
    Taxi Driver (1976)
    Jaws (1975)
    Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs (1937)
    Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid (1969)
    The Philadelphia Story (1940)
    From Here To Eternity (1953)
    Amadeus (1984)
    All Quiet On The Western Front (1930)
    The Sound Of Music (1965)
    M*A*S*H (1970)
    The Third Man (1949)
    Fantasia (1940)
    Rebel Without A Cause (1955)
    Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981)
    Vertigo (1958)
    Tootsie (1982)
    Stagecoach (1939)
    Close Encounters Of The Third Kind (1977)
    The Silence Of The Lambs (1991)
    Network (1976)
    The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
    An American In Paris (1951)
    Shane (1953)
    The French Connection (1971)
    Forrest Gump (1994)
    Ben-Hur (1959)
    Wuthering Heights (1939)
    The Gold Rush (1925)
    Dances With Wolves (1990)
    City Lights (1931)
    American Graffiti (1973)
    Rocky (1976)
    The Deer Hunter (1978)
    The Wild Bunch (1969)
    Modern Times (1936)
    Giant (1956)
    Platoon (1986)
    Fargo (1996)
    Duck Soup (1933)
    Mutiny On The Bounty (1935)
    Frankenstein (1931)
    Easy Rider (1969)
    Patton (1970)
    The Jazz Singer (1927)
    My Fair Lady (1964)
    A Place In The Sun (1951)
    The Apartment (1960)
    Goodfellas (1990)
    Pulp Fiction (1994)
    The Searchers (1956)
    Bringing Up Baby (1938)
    Unforgiven (1992)
    Guess Who's Coming To Dinner (1967)
    Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)
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  18. oss
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    Yep I can probably agree with half or more of them.

    It's a Wonderful Life: Jimmy Stewart, my favourite film ever, I even went to see it again in the GFT (Glasgow Film Theatre) about 20 years ago, I love Jimmy Stewart's movies.

    Schindler's List: very moving brilliant film.

    Pulp Fiction: not my normal cup of tea but brilliant.

    Dr. Strangelove: I love Peter Sellers in this great film, also loved Sellers in 'The Mouse that Roared' and I would rate that one as great as well :)

    A lot of great films there that you guys would probably not think I would like or appreciate given my sci-fi technical focus.

    However it is a restricted list it is specifically the American Film Institute list of 100 best films upt to the year 1998 the list was published in 1998, your list Mike is an exact match to this, they updated it in 2007 but basically it isn't looking at 24 years worth of data, of movies, so it is not representiative and it is only the list of the 100 best 'American' movies not all world movies.
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  19. bigmac
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    i havent been to the cinema for years, It was a multiplex--and the sound was so loud i felt ill.
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  20. David52
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    Apart from the first 3 star wars movies which I loved, the rest of them, apart from The Mandalorian and Rogue One were just crap.

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