Young people urged to join work experience schemes

I read today about our young kids who are struggling to find employment and are being urged by the Government to join work experience schemes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33881096

Then I hear on the BBC news that there are now two million Eastern Europeans working in the UK, where is the logic?

I feel for those young kids fresh out of school, jobs the young British kids could be doing are being taken by economic migrants. I always think that if a youngster is not too bright and have little or no qualifications that they can still start at the bottom in a company and work their way up the ladder. As it is they are being denied getting on the first rung of the ladder.

Should be British jobs for British people, especially where the young inexperienced kids are concerned.

Surely, if people enter the UK to work they also become UK consumers which, in turn, generates more jobs? I am certainly not going to prevent my wife from working on the basis it would stop a British person getting a job.

Theoretically yes, but where Eastern Europeans live in large numbers then they tend to start their own little businesses that just serve their communities.

Its all about young kids, most economic migrants are unskilled, positions that could be filled by the British youngsters.

The workers who come to the UK are in general hard workers, I've worked along side them in their own countries on many occasions, only last week I was working with a bunch of Polish electricians/fitters in France. Our young kids should not have to go elsewhere in Europe to find reasonable employment, the fact that the East Europeans are here is because they have no prospects at home.

When it comes to our young people they should have a leg up and have priority to certain jobs, remember one important point, when the UK economy falters the East Europeans will leave in droves (hopefully) and go on to reap pastures anew, they only have allegiance to the UK when times a good.

I am by no means a Liberal and I am a firm believer in charity begins at home

We have different political views Jim, apparent as you know, I'm about as far away from being Liberal as you can be

Nothing stops us having the debate though

Plenty of jobs in the construction industry for Apprentice's. It's that youngsters these days want a office job, sat on their bum all day, (pen pushers). oh sorry I mean public sector.

Okay. A lot, not all, of the Eastern Europeans are migrating here and taking low skilled work.

Young British people are being encouraged to partake in work experience schemes as they do not want to do such jobs. Obviously more skilled work requires a stringent essential criteria for the job role. If young people want to get in such roles and have just come out of education then work experience is a key opportunity for them to develop the skills required for a paid role in that area. A lot of universities are beginning to attach work placement modules or opportunities to their courses now because they realise this. They may teach young people the theory but these young people have little experience in applying it.

@Timmers you said that some Eastern Europeans set up shops that serve only their own communities and insinuated that it was a bad thing because they are not creating more jobs for people. They may not be but in this example nor are they taking a job away from someone. The business 'only serving their own community' will also contribute to the national economy.

Work experience/Internship/On-the-job training is not part of university curriculum in the UK?

In Australia, it's a requirement.

Here in the Philippines, it is too.

Wow, that's odd. How do you expect companies and organisations to hire you when you don't know a single thing about what you're supposed to do?

University education and work are two different things. Theories and practical application.

When I graduated university, I already had three years proper work experience. Work at KFC, McDonald's and other odd jobs not included.

The 2 million was total EU workers in the UK not "eastern Europeans" whatever that means there is only one European Citizenship not relevant where in europe you hail from and I dont see many Poles or slavic folk using the car wash

What the BBC actually reported Timmers @ 9:38

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b064f7sg/bbc-news-at-ten-12082015

Even the Times got that

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4525078.ece

I noted the guy from Wales expressing his frustration presumably he is waiting for an employer to go to him with an offer

The thing is, we recently had our driveway paved. The company was British, but the people doing the work were Polish and Ukrainian.

I was talking to the guy who ran the company, and he said that they will work twice as hard as British people and that's why he uses them. I watched them out the window once and they were just non stop working, getting the whole thing done in a couple of days. Very impressed.

My own past experiences of getting jobs done by British people show that tey were a lot more efficient then them and I had none of the difficulties I've had with previous building and electrical jobs done by British people.

Now take my wife (chortle). She's, I guess, taking work from a British person too. Should she resign? Should your wife resign to free up places?

My missus has said to me that she doesn't understand British people because they go in to work then spend most of the day trying to avoid ding anything, whereas people from other countries come and try to do the best job they can.

The opportunities are there for British youngsters if they can be arsed to do them.

There's no real reason for most companies to employ foreign workers other than if they feel they will do a better job.

British youngsters are, in general, lazy gits with their heads in the clouds who don't like work. I know. I own two of them!

I disagree with you completely Graham, British youngsters are not lazy gits, what makes you say that I do not know, are your youngsters lazy gits? If they are then maybe you didn't instil enough discipline in them as most Liberals don't.

Eastern Europeans work hard but no harder then most British workers, it does help your work rate of course if you're getting paid ten times more than you would do in your own country.

The reason most British employers seek to employ migrant workers is not because of their work ethic, it is because they employ them on lower rates than British people. You also have to remember that your average Eastern European here in the UK is sharing a house with many of their fellow countrymen thus not requiring as much income as his British counterpart.

Regarding our loved ones, they are not in the equation as they are not economic migrants, some would disagree with that of course

I've worked in God knows how many different countries and I can assure you that I have never been to a country where the British have been outdone in any departments, British people are generally well educated and trained and have a good work ethic passed onto them by their parents.

Quite true Timmers.

Enlighten me with your expert child raising tips then, Timmers.

For what it's worth, I put it more down to liberal attitudes in schools that seem to have all but eliminated discipline from the agenda. Or, certainly from the school I went to, which was a formal Grammar School back when I was there.

And do you know they don't even use the term "homework" any more there because the term has "negative connotations". The call it "independent study". Pffft.

And guess what they did with the worst behaved kids at the school? Sent them off on a canoeing holiday together to learn about team work.

One word Graham, "Discipline" on all levels until the child is old enough to have learned self discipline.

You are right about the schools, it is now the lack of discipline that is the root of unruly children.

Teachers should still be allowed to give kids a belt round the earhole, the slipper and ultimately the cane, our soft society is now making a rod for its own back, far many do gooders around nowadays.

Political correctness has killed discipline in the schools.

No it is not part of the university curriculum. As I said it is becoming more prominent as universities either realise that they are leaving graduating students ill-prepared or they are doing it to compete against rival universities.

I agree it is odd and that theory and application are two different things. It is one of the reasons why so many graduates struggle in this country. Some are also unwilling to start at the bottom as a temporary step to get the work experience (they lack due to the system and their own lack of initiative) to supplement their knowledge. Usually graduates who take such steps will rise fairly quickly and get to a point that reflects their knowledge and education.

You will find that there is an attitude of young people here where they think they are too good for certain jobs. There is nothing wrong with that attitude if they are doing those jobs and pushing themselves to get to the next level, however, you will find that some young people believe it is beneath them to do certain roles even if they have little work experience or skills. You find a lot of European workers in Britain working in certain industries. You will find a lot in supermarkets, construction, cleaning, and the hotel industry. Unfortunately, some young people in this country would turn their nose up at doing such work.

On the flip side it is not all down to them. Expectations and the role of media in determining social attitudes has played a large part. They expect and believe it is their right to have a certain job and role in society. It is an exciting time with the digital age for young people but also sad with the re-emergence of Victorian selfish attitudes becoming more and more of a common feature.

I am jealous of the Filipino sense of family values that is currently lose on the culture here.

From personal experience of working in various levels of school I very much blame the lack of support from parents and the blame culture that exists. Teachers receive little support from parents and unfortunately find the parents taking the childs side.

Teachers struggle to discipline children because children have no respect for others. This comes from home and in some instances from their parents not having respect for others. It is common to see a lot of 50-70 year olds be extremely ignorant, hypocritical, blaming young people for their attitudes when their own behaviours mirror young peoples. This then filters its way down. Children will not have discipline or respect if their role models both on tv and in their own family have no discipline or respect themselves.

It is about time people stop moaning about children and the disciplining of students at school and instead start taking a look inwardly towards how their own behaviour sets an example for these children.