Brexit and Scexit

and we must never never change our minds

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“You are either in the European Union or you leave it. This is not only my view, this is the view of Donald Tusk, one of the Presidents of the European Union, who said: “there is no such thing as hard and soft Brexit, there is being in the European Union or out.” If we are out of the European Union, we cannot have our laws by the European Court of Justice, we cannot have all our regulations set by being in the internal market and we can’t lose all our trading opportunities by being in the customs union. And this was clear at the election. I brought a quotation in case this came up, from Wolfgang Schäuble, a very senior German politician. He let the cat out of the bag after the referendum because he said he’d been asked to say this by one George Osborne, the then Chancellor. And he said: “If the majority in Britain opt for Brexit that would be a decision against the single market”. In is in, out is out. We knew what we were voting for, we voted and democracy must deliver.”

I know of people who voted out thinking we could retain access to the single market. Therefore, suggestions that all people knew what they were voting for are wide of the mark.

Let's not forget the people who voted to leave because they didn't actually think we would leave.

Rees-Mogg has just named his son Sixtus after a number of popes. What name would Rees-Mogg give to himself? I'd suggest he name himself after the 46th Pope. For a middle name he should just pop to pope number 47,

Tradition requires that there must always be some long thin Old Etonian ultramontane Catholic with beautiful manners, marking the extreme end of the Right of the Conservative Party. They are not to be taken seriously. They are allowed to be a loopy as they like, and certainly Rees-Mogg's espousal of the Free Market red in tooth and claw is loopy. If you really want this country turned into the Philippines, without the climate or the charm, vote Rees-Mogg.

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/07/07/need-talk-internet-falling-love-jacob-rees-mogg-not-ok-opinion/

Looking at that, I can see why some here hold him in high regard!

I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised by your rhetoric, just disappointed that you believe you're morally-justified to excoriate those who dare write something critical about one of your precious Lib Dems whilst you insult and demonise those of other parties.

Thank goodness that there are still a few fellows in Britain who one can best describe as being true individuals and not the neutered sheeple that your sterile politically-correct world wants everyone to be. Your claim that he is "ultramontane" seems to originate from a statement made during a Commons session by Martin Horwood, the former Lib Dem MP for Cheltenham, at 7.52pm on the 11th June 2013 - I can find no other reference. The fact that Horwood lost his seat to a Tory in June could be viewed as poetic justice for that slight. If Rees-Mogg is "ultramontane" as you Lib Dems claim then quite a few of his beliefs are also those of your leader, are they not? But unlike the Lib Dems, the Conservatives do not defenestrate their members for their personal religious beliefs.

Your appraisal amounts to no more than floccinaucinihilipilification, so there!

Rees Mogg for PM entertainment value high!

Martin Harwood is the brother of a close personal friend of more than thirty years' standing, and I very much regret that he just missed re-election.

I cannot see why you would attach the term "Ultramontane" to either Tim Farron or Vince Cable.

It is, however,a precise description of Rees-Mogg's religious observances. I cannot speak for his beliefs since like Queen Elizabeth 1 and unlike her sister, whom Rees-Mogg prefers and I do not,I do not seek to make windows into men's souls.

For the record I think Tim did a good job and I shall be happy to follow Vince. The attacks on him were as you are well aware orchestrated by Momentum.

"But while he was happily denying more money for those most in need, Rees-Mogg was happy to accept a £7.6m bonus from the Treasury. In the Autumn Statement, Chancellor Philip Hammond announced that stately home Wentworth Woodhouse will receive £7.6m to fund its restoration. Luckily for fellow Tory [paywall] Rees-Mogg, it’s his wife’s ancestral home."

I think that Mark should perhaps be a little careful in accusing the LibDems of hostility towards LGBT people when espousing the cause of Jacob Rees-Mogg, whose voting and speaking records on that issue are lamentable.

I didn't.

Considering that his outspoken predecessor was never very far away and turned himself into a media tart, I think Farron did a splendid job. But you have no choice as to who will be leader - when's the coronation, by the way?

Really?? I think the Forum's pet Corbynista might well disagree with you about that. Is Lord Paddick a member of Momentum?

But I haven't!! I simply drew your attention to certain religious beliefs held by your man Farron are shared by Rees-Mogg: both fall foul of the liberal fascists who've pushed the LGBT Rights envelope way off the scale of reasonableness.

Talaga?

"Liberal Fascists"....

You're very quick to fact-check and challenge statements made by those on the right of centre but you'll happily endorse unchecked stories from left-wing fake news factories.

Did you bother to do a search on that stately home? It is a Grade 1 listed building and the largest private residence in the country not owned by royalty; it is currently owned by the Wentworth Woodhouse Preservation Trust and not by Helena de Chair's family - Helena de Chair is otherwise known as Mrs Rees-Mogg. Her late father, Somerset de Chair, did own several large houses including Chilham Castle, St Osyth's Priory and Bourne Park but not Wentworth Woodhouse.

I put this here for Mark's viewing pleasure.

Thank you, Andrew. I am sure I've no need to introduce them to you but nevertheless: on the left a former commodities broker who went on to become this country's most successful politician and on the right, a very successful investment broker, a feared and respected member of the Commons Treasury Select Committee - and tipped to be its new Chair - and very likely a hugely popular future leader of the Conservative party. What more can I say, they're both dapper, erudite and eloquent; I'm sure they made you feel most welcome at their party!

How long have they owned the property?

Who owned the property when the grant was given?

https://www.economist.com/news/brit...-global-stage-suez-britains-decline?frsc=dg|e