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Child First UK Passport after Right of Abode - in UK now

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by rjd1969, Jan 21, 2016.

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  1. rjd1969
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    Hi All,

    I am in the UK now with the GF and baby who has a right of abode on a Philippines passport.
    I am thinking to get a UK passport for the baby whilst i am here for the next 2 months.
    Anyone have an idea / experience if it's easier / possible to get a UK passport if the baby has a ROA and is in the UK ? And what the time frame would be.
    IE hope the passport office wont need to verify the baby's passport again via the Philippines ( and incur the long 10 month delays). Or maybe bypass this by getting a much cheaper DNA test done in UK in order to expedite ?
    Hoping this process will be simpler once in UK.
    Any advice appreciated. have sent the Passport office an email but could take 15 days to reply as per the auto response.
    Cheers
    Richard
    rjd1969, Jan 21, 2016
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  2. oss
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    What precisely do you mean by "right of abode on a Philippines passport" if the child is your child have you gone through any procedures to prove the baby is yours?

    If you have then you should be able to apply for a UK passport while the child is here, really hard to do it from the Phils, but you are probably going to need some documents like Philippine Birth Certificate as well as the Philippine passport, if I were you I would try to do it in person at a passport office rather than sending anything by post.
    oss, Jan 21, 2016
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  3. rjd1969
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    Hi OSS
    Thanks for the reply.
    Just to clarify - My child has a right of abode in the uk stamp on her Philippines passport. So she can stay in the UK for the duration of her Philippines passport.
    i am also on her Philippine Birth Certificate as the father.
    We have the birth certificate and passport in the uk now. My understanding is that the delay in the UK passport application from the Philippines is due to the back and forth in verifying that the birth certificate is authentic.
    If we are in the UK now - with a right of abode stamp on her Phil passport - would this avoid the need for the PO to verify the additional documents ( birth cert etc) via the Philippines - and create the same delay that most people experience when apply from the Phils.
    So could they just take a look at the babys Phil passport see the ROA and then expedite the application without the need to go back to the Philippines for verification.

    Looks like it would be easier to go down to the PO or is it possible to actually speak to a human on the phone first ?
    rjd1969, Jan 21, 2016
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  4. oss
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    I have found it increasingly hard to talk to any UK officials on the phone, I'd visit a passport office if were you.

    You can order a birth certificate here https://www.ecensus.com.ph/default.aspx , even from the UK, they will post it out to you but I don't know how long that will take.

    I am very interested in this 'Right of Abode stamp' as I had not heard of it before, I take it you have to apply for this in the Philippines did you have to go through this procedure https://www.gov.uk/right-of-abode/apply-for-a-certificate-of-entitlement ?

    With that fact that you and the wee one are in the UK now, yeah I would go to a passport office and just try and make the application, you have nothing to lose but a bit of time.

    My daughters UK passport expired in February 2014 and I have been loathe to attempt to renew it from the Philippines because of the fact that we would have to send off her existing UK passport which is our best proof of her Citizenship and her right to abode that we have, if we have to send it off I can just picture it getting lost under the mountain of other applications in the Liverpool office.

    So I am very interested in exactly the same question you are asking!
    oss, Jan 22, 2016
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  5. rjd1969
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    ROA was given to us rather than just a visitor visa for the baby. As you have a UK passport would presume that you dont need an ROA. Just a question of renewing the passport.
    I think renewals are quicker than a brand new passport.
    I am in contact with the PO by email. They took only a few hours to respond which was amazing after the auto responder said up to 15 days!
    I will update here and also suggest you contact them via email here : https://eforms.homeoffice.gov.uk/outreach/Passport_Enquiries.ofml
    rjd1969, Jan 22, 2016
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  6. Markham
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    Unless the law has changed in the last 15 months, which I doubt, you can not apply for the FIRST Passport for a child born outside the UK from within the UK. The application for that FIRST Passport must be lodged in the country of birth. That is precisely what the very helpful lady in the Welsh Passport office told me when I tried to get my childrens' Passports whilst on a visit to the UK, thereby circumventing the horrendous - and on-going - delays at the Liverpool office.
    Markham, Jan 22, 2016
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  7. oss
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    Cheers thanks for that link!
    oss, Jan 22, 2016
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  8. oss
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    There are references to 'Right of Abode' and 'Passports' being an either one or the other situation on other immigration forums.

    Having obtained a 'Right of Abode' that is proof of British Citizenship and should, I would have thought, allow the child to receive a UK passport while in the UK it will be very interesting to hear how rjd1969 gets on with this.
    oss, Jan 22, 2016
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    thanks for that! May have save me a trip. Will see what the PO says in the email.
    rjd1969, Jan 22, 2016
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    Wondering if the fact that we have the Right of Abode already. IE official recognition of childs status as an english national by descent by immigration will allow us to get the passport in the UK ? Anyway waiting for a response via email. Will let you guys know.
    rjd1969, Jan 22, 2016
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    My intuition says that if your married and the NSO birthcertificate shows you have a British Father (born in the UK) then entry to the UK cannot be refused regardless of having a UK passport or not
    KeithAngel, Jan 22, 2016
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  12. oss
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    Yeah but the issue very often is convincing an airline to let you board with a child who does not have the appropriate visa for the destination country, you are arguing with them first before you get anywhere near a UK immigration officer.
    oss, Jan 22, 2016
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  13. KeithAngel
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    Im only suggesting that if you go to your embassy and say Me and my British child are going home they are kinda forced into giving you that stamp or a letter /visa
    KeithAngel, Jan 22, 2016
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  14. Markham
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    Then you'd be very naive for even thinking like that! Regardless of what the Home Office says, the right to British Citizenship by Inheritance does need to be proven. Hence the not infrequent demand for DNA tests.
    Markham, Jan 23, 2016
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    Mark I did add, and you were married and had the birth cert they know where you were born in fact what your saying now fly,s in the face of whats just happened other wise they would have issued a visitor visa :rolleyes:
    KeithAngel, Jan 23, 2016
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  16. rjd1969
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    Got an email from PO. They will answer in 3 days. Further thoughts if we have right of abode and are now in uk. so why do we need to return to the Phils to get a UK passport? Whats not to say that we will stay here for the duration of the ROA and never return to the Phils? or go on to another country. In my case the British Inheritance has already been proven as we have a ROA and not a visitor visa. Anyway lets see what they say!
    rjd1969, Jan 23, 2016
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  17. oss
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    The bit that confuses me is that you said GF (girl friend) and baby, not wife and baby, does your GF have right of abode too?

    With right of abode, you and the baby can stay forever, and as far as I know even if the foreign passport containing the stamp has expired.
    oss, Jan 23, 2016
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  18. Dublin boy
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    My son little gorilla has the same right to abode in his passport so I'll be interested to see how you get on. I was told once in the UK I could apply for a uk passport for him,
    Dublin boy, Jan 24, 2016
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  19. Markham
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    Exactly who stamped "Right of Abode in the United Kingdom" into his Philippine(?) Passport, how recently and under what circumstances?
    Markham, Jan 24, 2016
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