Child First UK Passport after Right of Abode - in UK now

Peter would my daughter's expired British Passport be considered proof of right of abode?

She has a Philippine passport with a photo of her as a baby which is virtually the same as her photo in her expired British passport, could we travel on her Philippine passport without a visa simply by carrying her expired British and Philippine passports as well as a new current Philippine passport?

I really want to do her British passport renewal in the UK and not from the Philippines.

That's great, thanks for that info!

I can imagine


Just to confirm you and your partner are definitely not married?

Does rjd1969's experience match your experience Mr Gorilla, I mean in terms of what you had to do to get the sticker?

rjd1969 replied earlier explaining the proof they had to provide to get the sticker.

Yeah thanks very useful information, it changes the kind of advice we can give people as quite a few have asked about obtaining a first UK passport and when I did it for my daughter it was not cheap and not simple for an unmarried couple.

Matthew that would have been my understanding but read this thread in detail and you will see that people are not being coerced to have DNA tests.

The opening poster is not married to his partner, however he and his partner and his child are all in the UK right now, they managed that presumably with a visit visa for his partner and with the grant of a 'Right of Abode' document being inserted into his child's passport.

Our authorities must have accepted the evidence he presented, prior to this thread I would have said that as unmarried parents you need a DNA test to prove that a child can visit the UK without immigration restrictions, I had to go through that with my daughter eight years ago although sadly we never managed to actually use her passport to get her to visit the UK before it expired.

Things have clearly changed in terms of what the passport authorities will accept as evidence, and on the evidence of this thread the changes are for the good, we were put through the grinder 8 years ago, everything was really hard.

Excellent information.

Point 1 well yeah strange but true. In the Philippines though the mother has full control up to the age of seven I think.

Point 2 did the guy not realise that the birth certificate is issued in English there is no translation.

Point 3 why your father's birth certificate don't you have a UK passport stating your citizenship, your UK passport records will confirm that you are 'British otherwise than by descent' which is the only thing they could be trying to prove with this requirement.

How many years validity is left on the wee ones Philippine passport? The RoA certificate should be moved to any new passport when it renews and Philippine passports are issued with 5 years validity.

Only you can know your timetable but I guess it would be best to return to the Phils and make sure you have all the right docs next time you come back to the UK.

Saying that, I believe CENOMAR and Birth Certificate can be obtained via that online link I gave you earlier in the thread. Philippine Birth Certificates are only valid for a few months so the notion that it has to be 'Original' is nonsense, same would apply to your fathers birth certificate here, I probably still have my dad's certificate but god he died 32 years ago what could I do if I needed the original and it no longer existed.

One thing to remember is that once you get the British passport for the wee one, it will only be valid for 5 years and then you have to go through the renewal process and if you are doing that from abroad that will be painful and worrying.

I am sure you will but keep all old expired passports both Philippine and Brit and all communications that you have with any UK authority, as I mentioned earlier the only reason I have not renewed my daughters passport is that I have to send it off to Liverpool from the Philippines with a whole load of proof and we did have to get DNA evidence 7 years ago to get it in the first place it's cost me thousands (GBP) so far and I am not taking a chance of her original passport getting lost in the post. I only live 20 minutes away from Liverpool and I did bring her passport back once thinking I might be able to renew it here but no such luck

Child's picture changes from being a baby to being a lot more grown up, last time I looked I was having to provide almost all the same documents again original passports UK and Philippines and details of my daughters school all kinds of stuff, Janna's first UK passport is really her best proof of British citizenship, likewise your child's RoA.

Me, call me cynical and suspicious but I can just see all our documents getting lost in the post between the Philippines and the UK or alternatively getting lost under a mountain of applications that are being processed by some poor overworked civil servant in Liverpool, people on here have been waiting for passport renewals for over 12 months in some cases, I just don't trust the blasted procedure and therefore I will get my daughter here somehow at some point and renew her passport while she is here.

That's why I wanted to check if my daughters expired UK passport could be carried with her as proof of RoA while she travels on her Philippine passport, as to me that is the only safe way to do it, I've invested so much already in getting that original passport about £1000 just for the DNA test that I'm not taking any chances with the renewal.