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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    I was just in the middle of a post when it went down.

    I was going to say that it’s not a great time to cash in a pension plan. But I would expect the values to bounce back up in a couple of years.
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    An article in the Grauniad:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-at-risk-from-covid-19-if-forced-back-to-work


    The implication being that only the healthy should be going back to work.


    “About 20% of UK population vulnerable but not included in government’s shielding advice”.

    I have a feeling that to reduce hospital admissions, intubations and fatalities that it might be necessary to implement.


    Later ( from BBC ) :

    “Public Health England (PHE) says an antibody test for coronavirus has been evaluated and is a "very positive development".

    The product made by the drug company Roche was assessed by PHE at its Porton Down laboratories last week. Sources say it is the first such test to offer serious potential.

    Such a test looks for antibodies in the bloodstream to see whether an individual has in the past had the virus and has gained immunity.

    It is understood talks are now underway between Roche and the Department of Health over possible supply to the NHS.”
    Last edited: May 13, 2020
  3. Anon220806
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    Are you okay @oss ?

    Haven’t heard from you since the system went down a few days ago. It looks like you were right about the infection levels being a small percentage of the population. :D
  4. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I posted yesterday around midday, I'm fine.
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    I hadn't seen that report on the bbc but I have now.

    I was not talking about current cases but instead the real IFR (Infection Fatality Rate).

    If we had antibody testing I think the numbers who have had the virus in the past will still be quite low, probably less than 3 million at the moment.

    The 148,000 being quoted as the estimate of current infections might be accurate but with an R0 of 0.9 we will have almost the same number tomorrow and the the day after that and the days after that, in other words it won't rapidly die out unless the R0 gets down to about 0.5 or less.

    We should have been at an R0 of close to 1 just days after the lockdown started, so that 148,000 number is where we are after 7 weeks of lockdown with an R0 near 1.

    That number of infections in an unchecked world could see 21 million cases in the UK 5 weeks from now, it is quite a large primer for the next explosion, so to me it says that we have achieved very little so far.
  6. Anon220806
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    Yes and having opened up the lockdown, R0 is likely to be nearer 1.0 though hopefully not any higher. It’s going to be tough going and not “downhill all the way”.
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    If it is creeping above 1 in Germany and other places where there has probably been more respect for social distancing then it is going to get back above 1 in the UK.
    Last edited: May 15, 2020
  8. aposhark
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    Last edited: May 16, 2020
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  9. oss
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    Mike can you include the link to that Express story and chart, I just feel it is important.

    I would like a definition of

    Common
    Sometimes
    Rare
    and No

    because this is potentially a misrepresentation, particularly in the case of "shortness of breath", 10% to 20% of all positive identified cases end up in hospital at some point, they do so because they have complications related to breathing, so how does the Express end up publishing something that says this is "sometimes" a symptom.

    edit: my personal influenza issues over the years, more than once I have needed antibiotics to clear secondary bacterial infections, and had serious breathing issues.
    Last edited: May 15, 2020
  10. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Link now added underneath the chart, Jim.
  11. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Cheers Mike.
  12. oss
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    I've tried several time in my preferred browser and it crashes after three seconds.

    I tried it in Google Chrome and I got this.

    upload_2020-5-15_23-50-8.png
  13. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I have jus
    I just checked it again and the page comes up in Microsoft Edge in Windows 10.
    It works in "Microsoft Edge Dev" also.
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    I am in a very difficult position when it comes to articles like this as to identify myself would potentially identify my daughter who is a teacher in a private school and she and many of her colleagues are very much against the reopening proposals at this time.

    My daughter is still teaching her students to the best of her ability and I am not sure that an article like this is the best place to pull that kind of graphic.

    Having looked in more detail that graphic is not referenced in the article at all so why is it there, what purpose does it serve in that article.
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    I always use Edge and Win 10 (fully up to date) but one of the ads was killing it.

    Got it working now somehow.
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  16. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I was checking the validity of a meme in Facebook and that page came up to oppose the idea of the meme.
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    What was the meme?

    edit: early bedtime for once :) will answer anything else in the morning :)
    Last edited: May 16, 2020
  18. aposhark
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    It said:
    "State schools being forced to re-open in June.
    Public schools re-open in September.
    Has the penny finally dropped?"
  19. Anon220806
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    Our school is due to open up as per Boris’s specification. But not my daughters year as she is Y2. I would like her to get some time in before it shuts down for the summer. I don’t know if she will. I have been to tutoring her every day but am not a primary school teacher and am not familiar with the curriculum or the schools normal expectations.
    Last edited: May 16, 2020
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    Private schools (some) are using Zoom. But not state schools that I know of.

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