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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. JohnAsh
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    JohnAsh Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I had read about the long term lung damage.
  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I had realised it from other reading but it was the proportions that I noticed most in this article.
  3. JohnAsh
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  6. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

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  7. bigmac
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    same here. i think its the death knell for a lot more pubs. one i used to go in some sat nights has just reopened--advertising --no under 25's. so thats most of its customers banned before it starts.
  8. oss
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    This is the widest Date Confidence Interval I have found for the virus in the last few months, this is August 26th 2019 to December 18th 2019 as the date range for the zoonotic jump, if this remains in the data then it opens up some of the options that claim much earlier wider spread of the illness. (the date range is in the dark coloured popup in the chart)

    There is still the issue that there is nothing in the seasonal death statistics supporting earlier spread in the UK but maybe there are other reasons for that.

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  9. bigmac
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    this zoonotic jump...is this now a proven fact or just a theory ?
  10. Aromulus
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    I am afraid that due to the thousands of idiots that congregate in close proximity, in bars, pubs and assorted other venues, we may face more difficulties. and a resurgence and further spreag of the virus.
    I cannot understand how some people cannot decipher in their brains the word "distance".

    Moronic attitude.
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  11. bigmac
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    its because they havent died--it wont happen to them. its only other people that die--mostly the elderly.
  12. oss
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    Malcolm a zoonotic jump is a jump between species, it has always been a fact, the virus did not arise in humans, it jumped to us from another species as have many other viruses in the past for example bird flu swine flu, this is fact, the 1918 flu pandemic was a jump from pigs in Kentucky.
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    The chart that I posted is the genetic history of the virus the date on the left is the date of the earliest common ancestor of all the sequenced samples.

    The point here is the range of confidence in the date, their analysis has broadened the date range at which it passed from another species to a human.
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    This is the start of the SARS-Cov-2 Genome.

    The second image is the end of the SARS-Cov-2 Genome, note the numbers on the right that's the number of letters up to that row of the sequence, there are 70 letters per row.

    Each letter represents a nucleobase a chemical, there are 4 bases that make up all of life, Guanine, Adenine, Cytosine, and Thymine, GACT, the sequence is the pattern of the connected bases in the RNA that makes up the virus.

    This sequence or pattern is the program that tells the virus how to make more copies of itself using your cellular machinery, the virus is just a chemical program a pattern.

    A mutation is a change in the sequence of the letters a change in the pattern, the pattern codes for the construction of proteins when it changes it changes the kind of proteins that get made, the charts I have been posting are the relationships between generations of these sequences, on the left of the chart this is only ONE sequence all of the other sequences to the right are descendants of that first sequence, computational biologists can take later samples and work backwards to calculate what the first sequence must have been and they can attribute a confidence range to the date that first sequence appeared, all of the sequenced samples came from people.


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  15. JohnAsh
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    I am seeing reports like this more and more...


    “Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows“

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-h...wage-sample-spanish-study-shows-idUKKBN23X2HQ

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    lso for example here:

    https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/t...ve-originated-in-china-says-oxford-professor/

    “Traces of COVID-19 have been found in sewage samples from Spain, Italy and Brazil which pre-date its discovery in China.”
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    The March 2019 one is under peer review and they admit test errors are possible due to similarity to other coronaviruses, I doubt they have intact virus to use for PCR amplification.

    Pinch of salt needed here.
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    Jefferson appears to be controversial, not necessarily a bad thing but his comparison that he uses for the idea that viruses just sit around in the environment namely the Western Samoa outbreak of Spanish flu in 1918 seems flawed as the infection vector in that case was already published.
  18. bigmac
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    or was accidentally released from a nearby laboratory--as some would suggest.
  19. JohnAsh
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    Even if it was, which it almost certainly wasn't, it still jumped through one or more species to us.

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