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General Election - June 8th

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Maharg, Apr 18, 2017.

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  1. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

  2. Scotschap16
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  3. Bluebird71
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    Tories with a landslide.

    Liberals to make gains as many who voted Brexit will vote UKIP or not vote at all.

    Labour to fall below 160 seats, maybe making some gains in Scotland.

    Prediction (nearest 10)
    Tories 380
    Labour 160
    SNP 40
    Lib Dems 35
    Plaid 4
    Greens 1
    UKIP 0

    A strong Tory win is worrying for anyone who believes in privacy, human rights, liberty and employee rights. But that's what we face for the next 5 years as these rights are eroded for the sake of "anti-terrorism" and/or "protecting our borders".

    The election will be a bore fest, Labour have no feasible plans but, at least, Corbyn will not be the leader in 7 weeks time. And, in 5 years time, as an enlarged Tory base show their true colours, the electorate will turn against them and towards more central parties.
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  4. Timmers
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    Oh God, that means I'll have to put up with that waffling no substance little Timmy and Cleggy on TV all the time.
  5. Scotschap16
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    A strong Tory win is worrying for anyone who believes in privacy, human rights, liberty and employee rights. But that's what we face for the next 5 years as these rights are eroded for the sake of "anti-terrorism" and/or "protecting our borders".

    Amen comrade!

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  6. Timmers
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    You've already had your crystal ball out regarding your unfounded concerns over privacy, human rights and the rest, worry not young man :)

    Put the crystal ball back in the attic until after the election, there's a good lad :D
  7. Bluebird71
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    Worry not? Are you aware of the snooper's charter?

    She was voted villain of the year by the internet industry last year.

    "Theresa May has been a draconian Home Secretary, introducing the wrong policies at the wrong times for the wrong reasons,” said Harmit Kambo, campaigns director at Privacy International. “Instead of responding to public alarm about the Edward Snowden disclosures by rolling back state surveillance powers, she has instead ratcheted it up with the Investigatory Powers Bill, the most intrusive surveillance legislation of any democratic country.”


    That's why many people now hide behind VPNs because, if the Tories have their way, then internet history could be used in a Court of Law and be weighted more significant than personal statements and references.

    As for not making predictions - why should I stop? If you don't agree with something I said, counter it with some facts to make me change my mind.
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  8. Timmers
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    You talk complete and utter rubbish, nothing else.
  9. Bluebird71
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    Which part of it is rubbish? Are you unable to debate, are you only able to trade in insults?
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  11. Timmers
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    I don't hide behind a VPN, what are you frightened of????????????????

    You're like a chastised puppy shaking and cowering in a corner.

    Remember, the things you worry about in life rarely materialise
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  13. Timmers
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    Anybody who is claiming benefits is open to scrutiny in my book, its our money the Government is dishing out remember and it should only go to those who are fully compliant and entitled to it.
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  14. Bluebird71
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    I use VPNs and it isn't because "I have something to hide" nor "fear". It's now a key tool for self preservation against agencies who skew the data they have for their own purposes.

    BTW, I listed all the agencies that can access your internet history. Those agencies can also LOSE your data. How often have Civil Servants left USB sticks on the train from Paddington? The storage of my data for vague reasons is one that I will always oppose. The only people who can search my home are the police, and they require a warrant. Why do you think I'll sit back and let an Ambulance Service get information on me?
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    I don't disagree with that, but if you think the Government are holding the data purely to catch benefits cheats and terrorists, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. They have used the data for far more sinister purposes, even profiling people based on their internet history.

    How often have you read a story recently that referred to the "criminal's" internet history. As it happens, I search out a lot of stories on terrorist groups. If I was profiled based on my internet history, I could easily be labelled a sympathiser to their causes. Fine, you think I am being paranoid, and fine, bad things won't happen to me or you. BUT - and this is the key thing for me - if these powers can be used by the Government to falsely incriminate or intimidate just one single person then they have abused their powers and anyone who stands idly by in the knowledge that they are doing this is condoning the actions.

    In the case of my family member, she is seriously ill and unable to work. They used the fact that she spent 2-3 hours a day on Facebook (albeit periodically through a day) to determine that she was now fit for work. Tick, they've hit another target.
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    Well as long as my bank doesn't lose any of my date then I'm happy.

    You really worry too much, try to be more positive.

    I do not think we have anything to fear from the Government agencies on your list, in general you only have to worry if you have something to hide which has been brought to the attention of the authorities.
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    I hope they do check peoples Facebook profiles, if it helps with the fight against benefit crime then I'm all for it as illustrated in HaloHalo's post.

    Nothing illegal about looking at someone's Facebook profile, we all have the choice what data we decide to share on the internet, like this forum for example.
  18. Bluebird71
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    Ignorance is bliss.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/28/doreen-lawrence-police-spying-inquiry

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/dec/06/disabled-people-benefits-dla

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/01/spy-mark-kennedy-number-relations

    https://mediadiversified.org/2015/1...ill-have-profound-affect-on-people-of-colour/

    I don't expect or ask you to read any of the above but if anyone else is interested in why I don't want Tom, Dick nor Harry having access to my data then the answers are above.
  19. Bluebird71
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    It's rarely that cut and dry. Luckily, my family member won her appeal - at considerable cost to the DWP.
  20. Timmers
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    You know bluebird, if I ever opened a Facebook account you would be the first person I would ask to be on my friends list :D

    Don't tell me what your reply would be because I already know it :)
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