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General Election - June 8th

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Maharg, Apr 18, 2017.

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  1. Markham
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    Yep, I agree. I really do not understand why Paddick imagines his gay rights are any more important than Farron's religious freedoms and beliefs.

    Yes, he stabbed them in the front whilst some in his party attacked him from the rear. But if you want to blame anyone for Wales' lack of Lib Dem MPs, look no further than to Farron's predecessor who was always "there", who never really let Farron get on with determining policy and leading the party. Ever since the referendum last year, Clegg has been continuously touring the TV studios pedalling the same tired lie about the electorate not knowing that we were voting to leave the Single Market and even when Andrew Neil showed him conclusive footage to the contrary, he still refused to accept it: he was - and probably still is - in complete denial. Clegg was treating the electorate like fools and they realised it. His attitude lost him his seat, the Wales seats, maybe Sarah Olney's and probably a few more besides.

    Progressive parties are this election's losers.
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  3. KeithAngel
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    I do think its a little amusing that Paddicks resignation appears to have this effect Jeremy fourtunatly is made of sterner stuff I look forward to the further demise of the unelected mass media barons who have not yet realised their irrelavence ,except to create underdogs with their histerical and scurilous attack the person not the policy diatribes.

    Perhaps we should include Sectarian faith back grounds running to cash in their power as "King Maker"as well now in the interest of balance :)
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  4. Bluebird71
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    Where's the Michael Foot comparison? That was the comparison when Labour launched their latest "longest suicide note in history".

    Tony Bliar's result was from a position of having the red tops backing him. Corbyn rarely got a good press, and was walking around like a colander, what with all the stab wounds inflicted by his own fickle MPs - the same MPs now hanging off his every word in Parliament.
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  5. Bluebird71
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    The old fashioned press is so badly out of touch. It still has a strong effect on the older voters who still buy newspapers out of habit. The younger people know this media is now irrelevant, and can see through the click bait headlines. The Tories are starting to look old and stuffy again. The campaign would have seen a large Tory majority in bygone days. Social Media is changing that, and is empowering people to vote. Further, politicians elected by the sword will die by the same sword as the people can now hold politicians to account.

    This is a positive - billionaire media moguls are being sent out for pasture. So long Moodoch.
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  6. KeithAngel
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    http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-targeted-we-won-inside-story-labour-s-ground

    "Labour’s 2017 result, which saw it achieve its biggest improvement in vote share since 1945 (from 30.4 per cent to 40.0 per cent) has dramatically reshaped the electoral map in its favour. My analysis, the first to be published, shows that a majority at the next election, whether it comes this year or in 2022, is now within Labour’s reach. As well as gaining 30 MPs (from Canterbury to Kensington), Jeremy Corbyn improved the party’s performance elsewhere, turning safe Conservative seats into marginals.

    To achieve a majority of one (326), Labour now needs a modest swing of 3.57 per cent. To become the largest party it needs to win 34 seats (24 from the Conservatives, nine from the SNP and one from Plaid Cymru), requiring a swing of just 1.63 per cent,

    Vulnerable Tories include Home Secretary Amber Rudd in Hastings (majority: 346), Anna Soubry in Broxtowe (majority: 863) and Iain Duncan Smith in Chingford and Woodford Green (majority: 2,438). Though they long to be rid of Theresa May, such stats explain why the Conservatives are desperate to avoid another election. "

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-majority-next-election-has-become-far-easier
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    IDS will be ok - he can live on 8 quid a day easily.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....s/2013/apr/01/iain-duncan-smith-live-benefits
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  9. Markham
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    Unlike Corbyn, Farron doesn't suffer from selective amnesia or memory lapses and doesn't make bald-faced lies.
    I doubt you disapproved of either Gordon Brown's or Ed Miliband's willingness to court the DUP.
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    Sounds more like you than Jeremy :)

    See above re amnesia and or memory lapses
    I supported neither voted Green in 2015
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    http://m.plymouthherald.co.uk/stude...s-councillor/story-30390164-detail/story.html

    When I was a student, I spent 48 weeks of my year at my city. I know of students (not me though) who worked with the community on weekends - this councilor wants to exclude them from feeling a part of the community.

    A few years back, I voted in a constituency having lived there only 4 months and due to move out within a few weeks.

    Perhaps the solution is Proportional Representation Mr Councillor?
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

  13. Bluebird71
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    Theresa May left the Grenfell Tower site today failing to meet anyone affected by the tragedy. Her reason, due to safety concerns.

    Whatever your politics, this is unacceptable.
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    Mrs May is not at ease with ordinary folk - that has been plainly obvious throughout her premiership and especially the GE campaign. May has to go before she does any further damage.

    This tower block was owned by Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council but run on a day-to-day basis by a management company whose board of directors is composed of 8 elected tenants, 4 Councillors and 3 independent members. It is they, not the council, who appointed the refurbishing company and who specified and paid for the works. One of the directors is, I read, the newly-elected MP for Kensington and Chelsea.
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    There are blogs available, written last November, with residents concerns. Among these concerns are charges of gentrification. May's shortcomings (I think she chose the least damaging option today for nothing other than self preservation) back up the residents claims. For too long, they have been ignored - surely even Mrs May could empathize with this plight?

    For her it is party, not country, and person not people.
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    It's wholly owned by the local Conservative-run council.
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    Her visit was to see how the emergency services are coping, she has quite correctly ordered a full public enquiry into the incident.

    Seemingly one woman mentioned to Jeremy Corbyn that May did not talk to her and her mates, Jeremy is using that for political gain, I assume that is what you are talking about.
    There is so much hostility in the air that even reporters such as Jon Snow are being shouted at and abused, perhaps May was wise to keep her distance.

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  19. Bluebird71
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    No, Mrs May refused to talk to any victims. You speculate that she was avoiding getting shouted at (surely people's anger is justified here?). There is a guy on the news who has lost 5 family members, but has received no help from authorities. Residents have been complaining about the building for years. Theresa May should have spoken to some victims, not for political gain, but for being our elected leader.
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    Yes, it is an asset that they have farmed-out to a management company to run along with a number of other properties. The management company and its contractors are firmly in the firing line although I'm quite sure the council will be fined millions for failure of oversight.
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