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Labour's Disreputable Leadership

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Oct 11, 2015.

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  1. Dave_E
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    The bottom photo appears to show a Syrian man holding the body of his son near Dar Al Shifa hospital in Aleppo, killed by the Syrian Army well over 2 years ago.

    But, hey, it looks good as a stock propoganda photo, so why not blame Yvette Cooper.
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  2. Markham
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    What evidence do you have that any civilians have been killed by British air strikes against Daesh in Iraq? I suggest you have none because there haven't been any.

    Let's look at what Daesh gets up to, shall we, Keith, Daesh who have declared war against everyone on the planet who does not share their twisted ideology

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    His crime? Being a Shia and therefore a "blasphemer"

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    A Muslim about to be burned alive by Daesh

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    Libyans being marched to their death by Daesh

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    British aid worker Alan Henning just before he was beheaded by Emwazi

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    Stade de France, Paris

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    Outside the Bataclan, Paris
    Most of the civilised world classify Daesh as "terrorists" but this is possibly not so for Corbynistas who may prefer the nomenclature "freedom fighters" - although ironically "freedom" is, for all practically purposes, non-existent for those who live in the self-styled caliphate.
  3. walesrob
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    In a democracy people are free to choose how they vote without fear of intimidation or reprisals. Sadly for some MPs this is not the case - they been threatened and all sorts of childish nonsense - that's not democracy, it's borderline communism, something practised in places like North Korea.
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  4. Markham
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    There's something rather distasteful about the "left" trying to seize the moral high ground over matters of war and peace particularly when the same "left" is issuing death threats to those who exercised their democratic duty by voting according to their consciences.

    Just to be quite clear, the Labour Party had - and has - no position regarding air strikes against Daesh in Syria. It is neither for nor against these strikes and for a party that seeks to govern, that's unacceptable. The Party leader has a position and he tried to impose it on his Shadow Cabinet and his back benchers but in a great show of weakness, was forced to back down. Behind the scenes, Corbyn's aids are actively dismantling the party machine, infiltrating hard left activists into constituency parties and working to deselect those they consider to be "Red Tory Scum". This isn't a political party the country needs and deserves, its a movement at war with itself.
  5. Aromulus
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    Amazing.........

    Here we are, criticizing the current Labour leadership and a useless shadow cabinet, but nobody mention the person that single handedly managed to consign a great workers party to a sad end.

    Milliband........

    I am wondering if he got a backhander from the tories...
  6. Aromulus
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    This is very, very worrying indeed......
    An MP should have never exert any undue influence on the Courts. It created a dangerous precedent which at later date may constitute a rule...

    The other worrying thing is that the Mail, in the article, went out of its way to highlight "Muslim" fraudster...
    They are definitively trying to create an athmosphere of fear, it is working......
  7. Dave_E
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    Christmas, every good muslim needs to be at home. :lol:

    When Jeremy wrote the letter these fraudsters were accused of conning the elderly in order to raise funds for isil jihadists in Syria.
  8. Markham
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    The amount this gang scammed was actually £904,000 (not £600,000) and the Police believe that it was used to fund Daesh but had insufficient evidence of that to substantiate the more serious charges of funding terrorism. I think this story demonstrates the naivety of Mohamed Dahir - the fraudster that Corbyn appealed on behalf of - and his lawyer if he believed that the judge might be persuaded by a letter by someone who just happens to be the leader of a political party.

    However, Corbyn demonstrated remarkably poor judgement in writing the letter in the first place as it was known that the Police were investigating a possible link with Daesh at that time. But then what does one expect from the then national chair and co-founder of the Stop The War Coalition, an organisation that maintains that Daesh are freedom fighters and not terrorists.

    I think this also gives us a hint of how the justice system would be administered under a Corbyn government.
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  9. Markham
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    Britain under Corbyn would be like North Korea whose Dear Leader puts to death those who dare to speak out against him. Here, Dear Leader doesn't have to soil his own hands as he has a whole host of rabid attack dogs who'd happily savage dissenters.

    Welcome to the new politics of bullying and intimidation.
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    Last evening, Lenin-capped Corbyn joined 100 others at the Stop The War Coalition fundraiser at a Turkish restaurant in Southwark accompanied by Seamus Milne, his press poodle.

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    He did so for three reasons. He wanted to thank its activists who did so much in getting him elected as Labour's leader in September, he had promised to personally hand-over the reigns to Andrew Murray - the communist Unite official who has taken over from him as StWC's chairman - and he needed to spend an hour or two with like-minded hard-left activists - a welcome break from being surrounded by '#redtoryscum' in his day job.

    In his valedictory speech he called the Coalition a "vital force at the heart of our democracy" - well he would, StWC's activists along with their mates in Momentum are trolling moderate Labour MPs and seeking their deselection; they are his feral attack dogs.

    His attendance is despite requests by his own MPs to distance himself from the increasingly oddball organisation. On Radio 4's Today programme, Front Bencher Emma Reynolds said that Stop The War was "more anti-West than anti-war". She added "They blamed Paris for reaping the whirlwind of Western intervention after the recent terrorist attacks, they compared Isil/Daesh with the international brigades who fought fascism in 1930s Spain and they have failed to condemn Russia for its invasion and occupation of Ukraine and Georgia. I don’t think these are views that are based on the values of internationalism and solidarity of the Labour Party and I hope my party leader will distance himself from this organisation and pull out of the dinner tonight." He didn't, of course, and ignored pleas from MPs Michael Dugher, Caroline Flint and Tristram Hunt who also called for him not to attend.

    The Conservative MP Liam Fox wants to know 'what do Stop the War REALLY want to stop':


    "Why don’t we see Stop the War’s anti-beheading marches, the anti-mass
    rape marches or the anti-crucifixion marches? Why no anti-Isis campaign?
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    Fair questions.
  11. Markham
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    Let's give Jeremy a big round of applause, shall we, for making a difficult situation in the Labour Party even worse than it was. He completely cocked-up his Shadow Cabinet reshuffle and has totally failed to stamp his authority on it and the wider Parliamentary Labour Party. And if we're clapping at his "success" there, we should all boo him long and loud for the cowardly way he sacked Michael Dugher and the Shadow Europe Minister, Pat McFadden. He didn't tell them face-to-face but did so by means of a quick phone call. Their sackings are for "crimes" deemed (by him) to be more serious than Benn's disloyal speech in the Syria debate. Dugher had simply appealed to him to stand by his promise of a new, gentler politics by not sacking anyone whilst McFadden refused to blame the French for being the cause of the Paris terrorist attacks, a view at odds with his leader - and the Stop the War Coalition. Nine members of the Shadow Cabinet - including the Deputy Leader - have publicly condemned Dugher's sacking.

    Corbyn chickened-out of sacking Hilary Benn when it became clear that about half of the Shadow Cabinet would walk thus robbing him of the chance to promote and thereby sit next to his former girlfriend on the front bench. We're told that Corbyn and Benn have agreed that Benn will not disagree with Corbyn, in public at least. I can't see that lasting for very long: Benn is a highly-principled person whose views don't necessarily coincide with Corbyn's.

    But Corbyn did manage to ensure that the Party's defence review would include the scrapping of Trident and, with Thornberry (the replacement Shadow Defence Secretary) and Livingstone in charge of the process, maybe the scrapping of our armed forces too - both being very much anti-war as is their leader.

    The writing is clear. Corbyn and Stop the War have hijacked the party of the (northern) workers and are converting it to being the party of the monied, southern left-leaning intelligentsia - the Camden Communists in their multi-million Pound homes with their au pairs and nannies.. The party's centre of gravity is moving southwards and will soon be London. Dugher's sacking and Thornberry's promotion are indicative of this.
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    Well the reshuffle went down like a cold cup of sick in the Shadow Cabinet: so far today three shadow ministers have resigned, two citing Pat McFadden's sacking as being the final straw; the BBC believes more will follow.

    Kevan Jones was, until his resignation today, a junior shadow minister for defence and came to prominence recently due to some ill-conceived remarks made by Ken Livingstone after Jones had questioned Livingstone's appointment as co-convenor of the Labour Party's defence review. He had the temerity to question whether Livingstone knew anything about defence (Jones was Parliamentary Under Secretary of State and Minister for Veterans at the Ministry of Defence from 2008 and has been a shadow minister since 2010 ). Although Livingstone was aware that Jones had been suffering from depression, he told the Daily Mirror in a published interview that Jones was "disturbed" and "should see a GP".

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    Also gone is Jonathan Reynolds who was a Shadow Minister for Transport with responsibilities for rail. But the coup de gras was Stephen Doughty's resignation which came during an interview as a guest on BBC's Daily Politics show which aired just before Prime Ministers Questions:

    This, coupled with a planted question from Nadhim Zahawi, the MP for Stratford-upon-Avon, regarding the anniversary celebrations for Shakespeare, provided the Prime Minister with some great material for barbed witticisms at Corbyn's expense:


    Until today, Doughty was a Shadow Foreign Minister who, like his boss, voted for air strikes against Daesh in Syria.

    Who's next?! At this rate, Corbyn will very soon run out of people willing to serve under him.
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    So how do the Corbynista deal with a member of the front bench resigning? Why blame the BBC of course - for apparently setting it up.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ignation-prearranged-by-the-bbc-a6801846.html

    Labour under Corbyn are nasty sore losers. Its the beeb innit, they are biased they say. How convenient, something goes wrong, so the media get the blame and the Corbynista sucks it up and take to Twitter to express fake outrage. Labour are a basket case.
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    And then that dopey bird, Emily Thornberry, appears on TV claiming she doesn't know why Corbyn appointed her as Shadow Defence Secretary - as if we, the electorate, are stupid enough to believe that!!

    Does the name Joe Haines ring any bells? He's the 87 year-old former Press Secretary to Harold Wilson who many credit with as possessing one of the finest political brains in the country with a psychic-like ability to see straight to the heart of any political problem. He's the left-most in this picture walking next to the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson:

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    He has written a brilliant article which is published in this week's New Statesman under the headline "The Micawber Syndrome". He doesn't pull his punches and gives a scathing appraisal of Corbyn - "The fact is that Corbyn, whatever views he holds, is not up to the job. I heard some of his first speeches when he entered the House of Commons in the early 1980s. They were empty then and they are empty now. He is not a Bennite, because Tony Benn would never have been so rigid in his thinking; his speeches were beautifully constructed, even when they were idiotic, and they did not consist of treadmill recyclings of Marx and Trotsky." And Haines predicts "Labour will lose the next general election if Jeremy Corbyn is still its leader, and lose it by a substantial margin" and "Those who believe otherwise are the Flat Earthers of British politics."

    Haines urges the moderates - who make up the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party - to save the party by deposing Corbyn and provides a blueprint for how they can achieve this: "Remember, the PLP cannot be dictated to within the party by any outside body. If the MPs decide they want to elect their own leader of the PLP they can do so. Jeremy Corbyn would be entitled to stand, though he might think it wiser not to do so, recalling that he would not have got on to the ballot in September, had it been not for the fallacy of “fair play” embraced by the likes of Margaret Beckett and Frank Field. Notoriously, Beckett describes herself as a “moron” for doing so."

    If the PLP's moderates do appoint a new leader, he would be leading more MPs than Corbyn and therefore that new leader would be recognised by the Speaker as leading HM Loyal Opposition which would, in turn, lead to the new party receiving tax payer funding (the so-called "short money"). It would also mean that Corbyn and his acolytes would be consigned to the back benches once more. That would be good for democracy, good for the country and would give Labour a chance at having more than about 20 MPs elected in 2020.
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    Obviously Labour's fat lady hasn't drawn breath to deliver her mezzo-soprano rendition of The Red Flag as Corbyn's reshuffle isn't over after all; this is day 8 of the longest reshuffle in history. The Shadow Attorney General, Catherine McKinnell has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet this morning, citing the growing negativity in the Party since Corbyn was elected.

    That follows the resignation on Saturday night of Alison McGovern, a former aide to Gordon Brown, who'd been appointed to head a Labour review of child poverty. She chucked the towel in following McDonnell's attack on Progress, the Blairite group that McGovern heads. Incidentally the Guardian tried a bit of mischief-making as it reported that McGovern would resign live on BBC's Sunday Politics show. But she had already resigned!

    And Corbyn will have awakened this morning to discover that Lord Falconer, Owen Smith and Lucy Powell are threatening to resign from the Shadow Cabinet if scrapping Trident becomes party policy. Cameron would do some serious mischief if he were to hold the vote before the Summer Recess. That'd be before Labour (attempts to) agree a policy which won't happen before the party conference.

    You'll recognise this woman, from her face and ample presence if nothing else:

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    Emily Thornberry, Corbyn's new Shadow Defence Secretary, appears in this photograph in the uniform of a Lieutenant Colonel in the British Army, a rank she claims she holds in an honorary capacity. She is lying, she holds no such rank and indeed no rank whatsoever in any of our armed services. In her statement, she claimed she was accorded that rank when, as a barrister, she attended the odd Court Martial. You'd think that she the university-educated daughter of a United Nations Assistant Secretary General, wife of a prominent High Court Judge and claimant of a fairly senior army rank would know that the plural of "Court Martial" is not "Court Martials:"I have quite a lot more experience than people might think I do. I was made an honorary lieutenant colonel when I was doing court-martials [sic] when I was a barrister so I have a certain amount of experience of the military there."

    Ms Thornberry also opposes plans to protect British servicemen and women from being prosecuted for their actions in combat. Well she would, wouldn't she, given that she's BFF with Leigh Day's senior partner and pockets the ambulance-chasing law firm's shilling.
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    'Our subs don't need nuclear missiles'. That was the gist of Corbyn's amazing revelation to Andrew Marr last weekend. The senile Trot said that Britain's nuclear fleet can go to sea unarmed! Apart from the bleeding obvious "what would be the point?", Corbyn appears not to comprehend what it is exactly that Parliament will be voting for in a few weeks' time. It is not - as Corbyn appears to believe - a vote to sanction the purchase of the replacement Trident missiles and their nuclear warheads; that decision will not need be made for about another ten years. The vote will however give final Parliamentary approval for the construction of four new nuclear-powered submarines to replace those that currently act as Trident launch platforms.

    Corbyn also told Marr that he believes the British government should hold talks with Argentina over the Falkland Islands and implied that the Islanders should not be able to veto any handing over of their sovereignty. Watch for a similar pronouncement over the future of that other hotly-contested Protectorate, Gibraltar.

    Negotiations should also be held with Daesh, Jez sez, in the same way that the British government maintained a dialogue with the IRA during "the troubles". Maybe he doesn't believe those moderate Muslims who describe Daesh as a "primitive death cult" who have no interest in dialogue with non-believers but every interest in establishing a European Caliphate centred on Rome.

    Corbyn's popularity with the electorate is growing strongly. In a negative sense. His 'approval rating' has dropped to -39% with 63% believing he's doing a bad job as Labour's leader and 69% believing that Labour will lose the next election if Corbyn remains at the helm. 45% say that Corbyn has changed the Labour Party for the worse whilst only 21% believe he's changed it for the better. Those figures were provided by YouGov who, like other pollsters, believe they may well be over-estimating support for Labour.

    He gave another pathetic performance at yesterday's Prime Ministers' Questions with even his own backbenchers questioning his policies! But the biggest and bestest punch was delivered by Nigel Dodds of the DUP:


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    It's Hattie's Pink Bus which Labour paid £4,742 “to produce and install Pink graphics” on the“Woman to Woman Bus”.
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    Are you for real?
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    Native americans used to suckle their kids till they were 15
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    I find that bombshell easier to believe than some of the Peppa Pig Politics I am reading here.

    I don't care if anyone considers themselves left wing, right wing, chicken wing...but surely to actually have an opinion, one would have to consider things and think them through, not devour every word printed by the Daily Mail.

    2,000 years ago JC was being crucified and it's the same today! :D
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