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New points system

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by David jordan, Feb 19, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    This is true. As a now British citizen, my wife was exposed to this until she managed to get a contract.
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  2. johncar54
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    johncar54 Active Member

    Quote. As I pointed out earlier! As we pay our NI contributions the pension is a right to have not a benefit

    Tell that to those who now live in Canada, Australia etc who’s OAP was frozen when they left U.K. !
  3. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Exactly my point!!
    Where they told they would lose it before they moved?
  4. johncar54
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    johncar54 Active Member

    quote Where they told they would lose it before they moved?

    I believe the rule is that if one moves to another country they loose the increases, unless it is a country with which UK have a special agreement, like the EU and Philippines etc
  5. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Yes they were, reciprocity rules have always been published they date back decades.

    We have reciprocity with the Philippines our Philippine members who are drawing a pension get the annual rise, we negotiated a reciprocal social security agreement with the Philippines a hell of a long time ago.

    So did we try to negotiate with Canada or Australia and if we did who was it that said no?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...e-pay-an-annual-increase-in-the-state-pension

    And now it looks like we will lose all of the EEA nations, the UK has, so far, I believe only agreed to retain reciprocity for those countries until 2023 pending further negotiation.
  6. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Well if they they knew before they went then they made the choice!

    Blocked bit was if the UK left without a deal I think
  7. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    It was, but we haven't really got a deal yet all we have done is agreed the divorce, I am currently reading the Withdrawal Agreement (WA) to try to figure out if they even mention pension protection for British citizens who chose to live in Europe.

    We are not talking about the rights of Brits who worked in Germany or France to receive pension payments from those countries we are talking here about British Citizens receiving their British Pension entitlement

    Most of the WA appears to talk about protection of the accrued rights of all citizens who have worked in another member state and are due pensions from that state, indeed much of it is seeking to protect the pensions of former MEPs :D

    For what it is worth, in all the 61 mentions of the word Pension (some of which are the word suspension :)) that I can find in the 535 pages of the WA none of them refer to anything obliging the UK to continue to increase state pensions for British Citizens retired abroad, I suspect that will be the subject of individual negotiation with each member state at some point in the future.

    You can search for 'Social Security' as well, most of it will just upset you as it appears to deal with former EU Commission and Parliament employees :D You can find it here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-withdrawal-agreement-and-political-declaration

    I somehow think we will find out that our pensioners get their annual increases removed in a few years, it's nothing to do with the EU it is how we treat our own citizens, there are probably not that many British pensioners claiming from the Phils but there are probably a lot more claiming from Canada and Australia and other major first world countries that we don't have an agreement with, freezing pensions saves the government a lot of money so what do you reckon the chances are that increases will be stopped for those in Europe.

    edit: I would not normally read a rag like this
    https://www.express.co.uk/finance/p...sion-uk-eu-brexit-rising-increase-news-latest

    But they state the following at the end of the article.
    edit: just adding another link for my own reference, it agrees with the express article.
    https://www.moneywise.co.uk/news/20...state-pension-increase-inflation-after-brexit
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  8. jims456
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    jims456 Active Member

    What ever your view point on EU migration to the UK this a a small country and does not have the room for mass unchecked immigration.
    I used to work in the building industry and the current level of house building is simply not sustainable. Unless of course you want to sit in traffic all day breathing fumes!
    Add to this our beloved governments ( all of them) lack of investment in infrastructure it’s a recipe for disaster.
    Just the opinion of an old man that has lived a bit.
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  9. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    You are correct, jims456.
    I travel around the country a lot and it is clear that we have been totally swamped by uncontrolled immigration.
    When I walk through many places, it sounds like I am in another country.

    There are quotas set aside for houses that are empty and will be used for foreigners first.
    We can't blame people for doing what they can, if they can. Many governments have let us down.
    Finally we will have a points-based system, which is long overdue IMO.
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  10. PorkAdobo
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  11. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Can't fault that at all, except to say that closing the borders was too strong.
    Immigration was the main reason that Brexit happened.
    Now that the points-based system is coming soon, it shows the government has listened to peoples' concerns.
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