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Will You Vote UKIP in the 2015 General Election?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Anon220806, Apr 8, 2014.

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Can you see yourself voting UKIP in the 2015 General Election?

Poll closed Apr 15, 2014.
  1. Yes. Absolutely

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. No. Definitely

    5 vote(s)
    71.4%
  3. Maybe.

    2 vote(s)
    28.6%
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  1. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Please come back Mr Ash and defend yourself ............. if you can :lol:
  2. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Even if we do not agree with most of the ideas of UKIP, some of them have a certain appeal, and it was a foregone conclusion that the Party would do well in the elections, what everyone failed to see, was the true extent of such a victory.

    The message has been received, and the messenger has been accepted.
  3. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Cameron, Miliband and Clegg have only themselves to blame for the humiliation their parties have suffered at the hands of the electorate. They thought a racist smear campaign against Farage and Ukip would be a sufficient counter to its rise in popularity and by so doing, completely underestimated the strength of feeling amongst voters that it backfired spectacularly in their faces. Serves them right. Not only that, none of them appear to be in anyway accepting of, or contrite for, their failures and in that, no one of them is any worse than the others; they remain equally arrogant.
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  4. Timmers
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    I have noticed already that the cries of racists aimed at UKIP have suddenly subsided, Farage did really well in my opinion over the last couple of weeks to hold it together whilst all the smear campaigns aimed at him were going on.

    You have to admire the chap you really do, like a breath of fresh air he is.
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  5. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    If only Cameron had guaranteed a referendum to have taken place before the 2015 election, things would have turned out quite differently....
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  6. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Yes,
    "Should I stay or should I go?"......
  7. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Ed's hair is too normal, shame on you photoshopper
  8. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I bet young John is biting the bullet as we speak as all these email alerts pour into his inbox :lol:
  9. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I think you're right, and the fact that he has promised a referendum at the end of 2017 kept his vote up a little last night
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I think deferring the referendum has not helped the Tories' popularity.
  11. Dave_E
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    Nobody trusts Cameron to deliver on the referendum.

    The EU is a powerful institution that will not willingly relinquish power.
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  12. Markham
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    Remember, Dom, that it was Lib-Dem party policy to offer the electorate a referendum. Until, that is, they tasted power whereupon their party leader changed his mind and the Lib-Dems treacherously voted against the government, of which they were part, in respect of the enabling Bill required to hold a referendum. I actually think Cameron was a bit relieved by that as he can blame the Lib-Dems for the lack of a referendum rather than his own reluctance to hold one. And no, I don't think he will hold one unless he's forced to but it would be a referendum for which his government would be campaigning on the pro-EU side.

    Even if Miliband were to announce that Labour will hold a referendum on Europe, who will believe him? Tony Blair used that same promise to secure his second and third terms only to renege once he was back in Downing Street, which partly earned him his nickname of "Bliar" and his party's "Liebour".

    If Ukip can project itself as the anti-EU party rather than a ramshackle bunch of disaffected Tories and chancers from extremist parties, it could very well attract droves of traditional "old" Labour supporters, folk whose jobs and opportunities have gone to the cheap eastern European migrant workforce. If that happens, it could spell the end of the "New Labour" dream and consign what remains of the party to years in opposition and the need to re-invent itself as a party of and represented by the British working man.
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  13. Timmers
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    When I see Cameron being interviewed on TV regarding the in out referendum I sense a feeling of insincerity on Cameron's part, I truly believe that he doesn't want one and will work behind the scenes to do his best to see that it never happens. That's why UKIP will do well at the next general election, its a matter of who you trust to deliver.
  14. Markham
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    Exactly so! Those who continue to support either of the three main parties do so either out of tribal loyalty or on the basis of the lesser of the three evils.
  15. oss
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    You know what scares the living sh** out of me?

    Rhetorical question so I will answer it myself; my tiny little pension pot is invested in this country and there is pretty much no chance of me ever being able to move it out of here, but these UKIP nutters have a chance of coming along and getting this country out of its relationship with its biggest trading partners just because they are scared of all the foreign languages being spoken on their streets.

    If we get ripped out of Europe at this stage the economic side effects will be ruinous and the effect on my tiny little pension will probably wipe me out completely.

    Xenophobia will destroy us all.
  16. Markham
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    Oss, Britain would still be able to trade with other European countries just as Norway and Switzerland can and do very successfully as the pro-EU BBC concedes in a backgrounder on the "in-out" question. Our trading ability is not the result of our EU membership but a product of two trading treaties, EFTA and EEA, and since Britain was, iirc, a drafter and original signatory of both, they would remain in force.
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  17. oss
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    Continued membership of the EEA would be part of the negotiations on exit of the EU, no one can assume anything.

    Also as most of the laws that UKIP hates regarding the EU would still exist under EEA then how does that work out?

    For example free movement, that's part of the EEA treaty.
  18. Markham
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    There could be further bad news for all three major parties. The By-Election in Newark is being held a week on Thursday and Ukip's support there is very strong at 33% (up by 17%) and it will be a close contest with the Conservatives who are on 31%.
  19. Dave_E
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    I wonder how your pension pot would be impacted if we were dragged into the Euro, and fiscal control and taxation were centralised in Frankfurt?

    Just a thought...
  20. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    You have a point about EEA and we could well be excluded. But no matter, our trading ability with Europe would still be unaffected although, like Norway, Lichtenstein and Switzerland, we would still be bound by certain rules such as product labelling, meeting safety standards and so on. But since we have to do that anyway at present, it represents no real change or disadvantage.
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