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Windows 10 is coming

Discussion in 'Technology Advice' started by walesrob, Jun 1, 2015.

  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    they didnt really have a choice Jim there market share is in the bucket ;)
  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    It doesn't count you out as a private individual, just download it and use it.
  3. oss
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    And yeah anything over 5 devs on a small companies team and you are into payment territory, however we only have 5 .net devs here where I work.

    Technically I could avoid having to certify our software which would mean I would not have to go through a miserable process every two years to certify something just so we can stay Microsoft Partners and get all the MSDN goodies :)
  4. Howerd
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  5. oss
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    That's not really true Windows still rules the desktop operating system market :-

    http://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

    all that has changed is that people don't buy as many desktops, but business and private individuals still buy vast numbers of the things.

    That Windows 10 is free for a year is because of that graph with the huge share still on Windows 7 and the abysmal impact of Windows 8 & 8.1.

    Windows phone had a small market share which I always found inexplicable as it is far superior to iOS or Android people don't seem to get people centric user interfaces like Windows Phone but they do get app centric user interfaces, weird.

    People love the iPhone like it is some freaking wonderful magical perfect bit of software, if you look at it for more than a minute you realise that it is Windows 3.1, really that's it, Windows 3.1 Program Manager, that's an iPhone, 25 years and all they could come up with was Program Manager on a phone, and then Google copied it :lol: by buying the people that wrote Android :D

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Article here http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WhyIsntPeopleCentricUIDesignTakingOff.aspx

    I was talking to the guys at work last week about various things related to user interfaces as my boss had walked in with the bright idea of making our new ERP UI look effectively like an iPhone which got me to the subject of really all he wanted was the Windows Explorer UI and that led to comparisons with the iPhone and then I looked for iOS and windows 3.1 and got Scott's article above :D
  6. oss
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    By the way has anyone ever tried running Windows 3.1 on modern hardware, has to be in a virtual machine obviously but my god it is fantastic how fast everything is :D
  7. walesrob
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    I've just upgraded Mum's laptop from 8.1 to 10, no issues so far.

    Disappointed to still see no support for CalDAV or CardDAV (apart from presets for Google & iCloud)

    Also first thing that struck me was how the recycle bin has been, er, recycled from Windows 95 o_O It kinda looks familiar.
  8. Markham
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    Almost but not quite! I have run Windows XP in a virtual machine on a Linux host and it too was fast, outperforming a native installation on an Atom-powered Netbook.

    Thank you Oss for providing your easy-to-understand explanations of 'what's new' but I'm afraid that I have read nothing (here or elsewhere) that would entice me to go through the agony and pain of upgrading my I7 desktop to Windows 10. It seems to me that this is the most Net-centric version yet which is all fine and dandy if you're blessed with a stable and fast internet connection. That rules me out for one. I also think Microsoft should have put more effort into designing UIs that capitalise on the hardware platform instead of trying to be all things to all people; a touch-based UI really doesn't work in most laptops and desktops and Microsoft were slated for that by many Windows 8 users. I have tried a people-centric OS - I have a Windows Nokia phone as well as an Android one. I much prefer the task-based approach so Windows 10 holds no allure for me there either.

    Full marks to Microsoft for its enlightened licensing policy for Visual Studio and I do like C# as a development language although Delphi goes from strength to strength. Delphi XE8 - the most recently released version - is Embarcadero's answer to Xamarin on Visual Studio (cross-development for iOS and Android) although XE8 adds 64 bit compilation for both Apple and Microsoft environments. Unfortunately Embarcadero unashamedly capitalises on its users by making them pay for bug fixes!

    I really don't think .Net is that wonderful for commercial development now that all the obfuscators have been defeated by the likes of ILSpy and Telerik's JustDecompile, even RedGate's SmartAssembly which used to cost several hundred Pounds a pop: so good are these free decompilers that Red-Gate has seemingly given up developing SmartAssembly. If you modify UPX to change its signature (so that UPX'd executables can not be un-UPX'd), a UPX'd Delphi (or C++ Builder) compiled application can not be decompiled - for all practical purposes, it is very secure.
  9. oss
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    I'm in transit so two words only.

    .net native.
  10. Markham
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    I kind-of thought you'd suggest that! :D I have it installed but I can't persuade VS to allow me to create a native executable - possibly because I don't create ClickOnce store apps.
  11. oss
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    Only certain types of app are currently supported, they will extend the range with time.
  12. oss
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    And in what sense have obfuscators been defeated?

    They cannot prevent decompilation, but what you get is pretty much unreadable.
  13. Howerd
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    Is Windows 10 faster than WIndows 8.1? My wife has a very slow Windows 8.1 laptop
  14. walesrob
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    Can't say I've noticed any difference - start up seems slower, but then its a new OS so I expect that (also it is a badly underpowered laptop having an AMDA4-4000 CPU).

    However, in use, W10 is more 'fluid' and intuitive, simple operations need less clicks compared to the dogs dinner that was W8. Shutdown was very quick - something like 8 seconds. I've only used it twice since last night so its still the case of finding out what it does.
  15. Markham
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    Not necessarily. The problem with obfuscating code and reducing symbols to a single Unicode character is that NetFrame error messages are rendered meaningless, therefore such options may not be enabled in the obfuscator. Yes I know that SmartAssemby had an option whereby an error report could be generated using the symbols' actual names but (AFAIK) that meant having to rent space on Red-Gate's server and having error reports sent there.
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    I think your laptop must be faster than my wife's. I bought a touchscreen Medion from Asda for £150 (AMD A4 1200) It actually looks quite nice and has good build quality. The problems only start when you switch it on and wait and wait and wait. 10 minute boot times. Even once booted it can still freeze for several minutes at a time with the hard disk churning away.

    I bought it just before the release of Windows 8.1 and installing that did speed up things a little. When my wife gets here I will try Windows 10 but won't be too bothered to switch back to 8.1 if 10 is actually slower. It will go straight into the waste bin. You can read the reviews here...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00HEGN744?*Version*=1&*entries*=0
  17. walesrob
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    10 minutes? Crikey!

    The freezes seem to happen on Mum's laptop as well - task manager calls them 'system interrupts' and sometimes there's 3 or 4 of them, probably a bad mix of hardware/software as in Mum's Acer. If I had the time and inclination, I can get it sorted, but she only uses it for browsing and emailing, so its not critical at this time.

    If you do a comparison of AMD A4 next to anything Intel, you'll see how underpowered they are.
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    I was being kind to the machine when I said 10 minutes - that is only if you use it each day. Leave it switched off for a few weeks and it is more like 30 minute boot times, with freezes of 10+ minutes after that. And that was after un-installing all the bloatware (including the anti-virus)
  19. Markham
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    I'm pretty sure that you can partly solve the problem by replacing the 2 gig RAM module with a 4 gig version - there is a YouTube video on how to do this. Apparently! Windows seems to require at least 1 gig to itself and the display adaptor is probably stealing some too, leaving you with less that 1 gig to run your applications. No wonder there's a great deal of disk-thrashing as stuff gets swapped-in and out of actual memory.
  20. Howerd
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    More memory would probably alleviate a lot of the Windows paging to allow the very under-powered processor to concentrate on other tasks.

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