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Wiping of DNA and fingerprint records 'puts public safety at risk'

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Timmers, Mar 11, 2016.

  1. graham59
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    I am also of the opinion 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear'.

    Far too much paranoid hand-wringing over this subject. Meanwhile many are avoiding justice.
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  2. Timmers
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    At last, another nothing to hide sensible kind of chap :)
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  3. oss
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    There is nothing to hide, but they will find something that is not there whether there is anything to hide or not!!! :)

    You guys are too trusting of your peers.

    And yet on the other hand you don't seem to trust the government on lots of issues?

    Any society that has got to the point of meticulous tracking of its citizens every move is a society that you should not be a part of in my opinion.

    The right to disagree with the democratic majority is a freakin essential that you lose when you are fully tracked everywhere and all of the time.
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  4. Timmers
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    I agree that we are tracked via the information the Government holds and literally when we are walking down the street as we have more CCTV cameras than any other country, another great thing to counter crime.

    I have no qualms about the Government holding my DNA or anything else for that matter (just before I open my letter from the HRMC :)), I'm a law abiding citizen with nothing at all to fear, its the criminals and terrorist who should be on the watch out.
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  5. oss
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    That is a naïve viewpoint in an idealised world, it assumes that your government will always be benevolent.
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  6. Timmers
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    Answer me a question, what do you think the Government could do to harm me with the information they have on me?
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  7. graham59
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    Aaaah the sky is falling ! lol :eek:
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    :D


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  9. oss
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    Classify you as a person who is potentially dangerous to their view of the world, say Corbyn or someone even more extreme got in (right or left as I mentioned the other day) the government (not the same as the party in government) have enough on you already to make decisions on who is good or bad in their world view.

    Anyone can be turned into a minority under any government's current agenda.

    And to specifically answer your direct question, your DNA, if they had it, would now be able to tell them when you are likely to croak, so they can make decisions about your pension, and about your employment, if you have a history of heart disease for instance, they can make assumptions about what possible illnesses you and your children might be susceptible to in the future, guesses, and that could result in you being banned from all kinds of occupations.

    Got a marker for heart disease, ok you can't drive, you can't be a pilot, you can't work in any critical industry, oil included due to safety, a hundred other markers exist for all kinds of conditions that could affect what you are allowed to do in this wonderful democratic world we live in.

    The problem is that none of the markers will be absolute or definite, people with a marker are not guaranteed to get ill, ever!
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  10. oss
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    If only we could cut their heads off that easily ;)
  11. Timmers
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    So in other words none of us have anything to worry about :)
  12. oss
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    You're on a different planet from me Tim.
  13. Timmers
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    Exactly, I'm living in the real world and do not easily believe in conspiracy theories.

    I do enjoy these kind of debates don't you :)
  14. oss
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    I do not believe in conspiracy theories either, witness my many comments and jokes with 'boots', I am a realist, we are not talking about conspiracy theories here we are talking about the real world, your view of it is different from mine.
  15. Timmers
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    I agree with you at last Jim, our viewpoints are at opposite ends of the scale on this one.
  16. Anon04576
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    How can you blindly walk into being controlled? Oh hang on Asawa wants me to make her a drink, brb :lol:
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  17. Dave_E
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    Look at how the German Nazi party, a precursor to the present day EU, murdered so many millions of people only 70 years ago, because they were considered undesirable due to the information the state held about them.

    Look at how Pol Pot destroyed a prosperous and vibrant country less than 40 years ago, murdering over a million of the Cambodian people in the Killing Fields over a period of five years, and consigned the remaining population to poverty and starvation.

    The first time I visited Phnom Penh (Cambodia) 20+ years ago, I remember an elderly lady breaking down in tears as she recounted how the soldiers had taken her husband, a pharmacist away. She had never seen him again as he was killed by the government, his crime was being "educated". She survived by pretending to be an uneducated market worker.

    My policy is always to give away as little information as possible.
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  18. walesrob
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    Sometimes I just wish I could throw my iPhone and get my Motorola Gleam fired up again - no tracking, no GPS, no email, no Facebook, just phone calls and text messages.
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  19. oss
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    I don't agree with the EU precursor bit, by the way, Dave ;) :D but all the rest spot on sir!
  20. Dave_E
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    What the "Hitler led" regime failed to achieve by warfare,
    the EU appears to be achieving by undemocratic political process.
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