Government facing Brexit defeat in Lords over EU nationals

I am not surprised that Andrew is not currently participating in this discussion: he must be appalled by what some in his own party are saying.

Lord Taverne is a former Labour MP who joined the emerging SDP in 1981 and now sits as a Lib Dem peer. During the Lords' Brexit Bill debate yesterday, he compared Brexit-voting MPs to Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin:

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"It is a very dangerous step towards the doctrine that the people’s will must always prevail. This is the doctrine always favoured by Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin — and by Erdogan at present. It is a denial of the essence of democracy which we have supported with great effect in this country and now we are abandoning it. My Lords, we are the guardians of parliamentary democracy, and we are right in this. We are the democrats. We are right to support the democratic cause."

The "Democratic cause" being to ignore the will of the elected House (and therefore of the electorate) and re-impose the Lords' amendments. That appears to be the version of democracy favoured by the Lib Dems these days which we would recognise as closer to dictatorship.

Of course, everybody knows that only Nazis, Wacists, and Zenophobes support the UK's democratic decision to leave the EU.

#Nutcase #Meninwhitecoats #Takehimaway #Sarcasm

From what I have seen of the Lords this week there needs to be a van with square wheels on permanent standby there

They are and have always been out of touch with the real world, because they've never lived in it.

I'm missing Andrew in these discussions.

If you're reading Andrew please post, you can abuse me again if you wish

He's busy looking for impotent people to have selfies taken with, so they can be mentioned here.

That's a little unkind - how do you know they are impotent?

Your autocorrect is misbehaving.

You mean important.

No, it was my Alabami drawl. ( or my deliberate error ).

Brexit Bill now has Royal Assent.

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Super, smashing, great

Excellent!

I like the little chap with the Union Jack, lets hope we can keep that flag if you know what I mean

Brexit Day will be the 29th March, according to a government announcement this morning. That'll be one week after the EU celebrates what is effectively its birthday, the 60th anniversary of the Treaty of Rome. Mrs May is staying away from the celebrations - though as leader of a nation still s member of the EU, she is entitled to attend.

As the fateful day approaches, the Commision's Jean-Claude Junker can hardly do more to lower his popularity in Britain. In an interview with the Bild am Sonntag newspaper published over the weekend, he was asked if he was concerned other states might follow Britain's example. He replied "No. Britain's example will make everyone realise that it's not worth leaving. On the contrary, the remaining member states will fall in love with each other again and renew their vows with the European Union."

The EU has become a union whose cohesion is enforced by coercion, not one forged out of respect, love and comradeship.

The day cannot come soon enough for me

Old Junker bless him must have been on the sauce again.

a young drunk

MOANY BLAIR
Tony Blair insists Labour’s ‘essential duty’ is to block our EU exit at ANY cost and claims Brexiteers are living in a ‘right wing fantasy’ world
The former PM hit out at Jeremy Corbyn for not reaching out to people who had voted to Leave.
Tony Blair is setting up a new policy platform to combat populism

In an interview with The Guardian, Mr Blair took aim at the current Labour leadership – saying the party needed to “recover its strategic grip on affairs and be competitive”.

He slapped down the party’s approach to Brexit, and said that Labour should try and block Brexit at any cost.

Mr Blair said it was Labour’s “essential duty” to do so, and urged Mr Corbyn to do more to not “alienate the remain people” by supporting our EU exit.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/31174...ers-are-living-in-a-right-wing-fantasy-world/

Blair is starting to annoy me greatly, he obviously does not respect the result and democracy.

Just as well nobody listens to him any more.

Democracy allows people to disagree with views held by the majority. If people can no longer speak in opposition (especially in a slender result) - then what separates us from one party, dictatorial states?

BTW, your Lovely Nigel was advocating that a result of 52-48 (had it been remain) would be inconclusive. Do you think that, had Remain won by such a slim margin, that Nigel Farage would have slunk off into the background and remained silent? I appreciate he may have been too busy trying to get the establishment to recognize him with a knighthood, but I suspect he would be calling for a second referendum given those parameters.

A large or small minority, it matters not, the people spoke and as a result of that the UK will be leaving the EU.

Be my guest, moan about it all you like along with Blair, it will not change the result of the referendum and the path the UK will be taking.

By the way, are you having a street party next week when Mrs May triggers article 50?

This has zero relevance to what I just posted.