Government facing Brexit defeat in Lords over EU nationals

And there you are wrong my friend, the post is relevant because is shows that all I care about is leaving the EU whatever the consequences are, and that you are a serious remoaners, and finally, I do not take what is happening too seriously and I do not think you should either.

All will be well my friend, all will be well

Get that party hat ready

Can you read my post again (assuming you read it at all).

We live in a democracy which enables people to voice opinions and opposition. It appears that this irks you. You see things simply as win and lose. You keep reiterating the fact that "you lost" as a counter to any logical or illogical views that differ from your monosyllabic mantra.

The point I was making and which I have the utmost confidence that you will miss, is that there are opposition groups to almost everything that happens in the U.K. Without these opposition groups and views, we'd still be in the EU with people illogically claiming that "joining the EU won in the 70s - any opposition to that vote is null and void".

This is the argument you are putting forward. Now, let us see if you can counter the argument without referencing the latest referendum result or indulging in schoolyard taunts. The premise of my argument is the same regardless of if the vote is for Brexit, Scottish independence, a local councilor or was that dress blue or gold.

If you think people are not entitled to voice an opinion that differs from your own, then your view of democracy is myopic and monochromatic.

Blair does not simply voice his opposition to Brexit, he is urging Corbyn and Labour MPs to do all they can to prevent it happening. He is supported by John Major, Gordon Brown, tacitly by David Cameron, no so tacitly by the Lib Dems, Ken Clark, Heseltine and Anna Soubry - among others. In other words, by the elitists of the liberal Establishment, their supporters and foot soldiers who can not and will not accept the result of the referendum. But that is a battle that has already been fought and they lost: apologies for pointing that out to you - again!

What there needs to be is a strong party in opposition to robustly hold the government to account to ensure that Britain gets the best deal possible for Britain. Corbyn simply isn't up to the job but he isn't going anywhere; Labour and the country is stuck with him -- and his position seems to becoming even stronger if McCluskey wins his election. But if he does go, McDonnell will undoubtedly replace him.

And, in a democracy, it is possible for people to form such groups. Their chances of complete success (assuming they want Brexit stopped) are nil. They may be acting selfishly, stupidly, and against the slender majority of the electorate, but they are well within their rights to oppose. That's democracy. Arguments are rarely solved by a vote.

I guess it's all about how you measure success