Labour's Tuition Fees Betrayal

Good luck, I'm still waiting for lots of links to lots of claims. I should be keeping a spreadsheet like Phil "you're earning too much money" Hammond.

In other words, the Tories have joined the Social Media party 6 weeks late.

Guido Fawkes is a completely impartial source though, really it is.

Far more so than the Guardian which is regularly quoted here. You might like to read this article which was first published in the Times in September 2011.

That would be the link to your opening post then?

Labour pledges to abolish tuition fees as early as autumn 2017 ... (Guardian)

Labour's scrapping of tuition fees isn't the progressive measure it ... (Guardian)

Jeremy Corbyn's Vow To Abolish Tuition Fees Sparks Outrage Among ... (HuffPost)

I will deal with those already burdened with student debt (NME)

General election: Corbyn plan to scrap tuition fees slammed by ex ... (Daily Express)

Tuition fees for tens of thousands of students to be scrapped by Labour (Daily Mirror)

£100 billion: the cost of writing off student debt (FullFact)

Sorry i was rolling on the floor laughing ment to post this

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"Jeremy Corbyn will pledge to fast-track legislation to scrap university fees in England from 2018.

And Labour will promise to write off the first year of fees for students starting university this September.

Those part way through their degree will not have to pay fees for the remainder of their course.

Mr Corbyn will also vow to restore maintenance grants and scrap college fees for adult learners."

Daily Mirror

"Corbyn has said that he will work to reduce existing student debt if they win the upcoming general election.

“First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.”

NME


Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/jeremy-corb...ened-student-debt-2082478#JsVSzK46YMqELK4i.99

Sorry Id forgotton (not) how much you just like to make things up Mark

This reminds me of the time when someone (I won't name names) claimed that Corbyn wanted to abolish the British Army and used the completely unbiased Tory Election Broadcast to back up a claim.

The broadcast took out three words where Corbyn mentioned that Costa Rica "abolished their army" (the magic three words) and once the full text of the speech was brought up, we had to talk about something else.

If the next election is about discrediting the future PM, then it'll be easy for Labour. People are fed up of the name calling and false accusations. Not sure if this vibe is getting picked up in the EU, is it Markham?

The vibe that is definitely being picked-up is that the UK has become an unwelcoming, unfriendly and unsafe country.

I blame the fall of the Empire.

Shouldnt hold my breath then for a rebutal

"I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it." That was Jeremy Corbyn’s crystal clear pledge to students at the election: "I will deal with" your student debt. It was written up by all media outlets as a pledge to write off debts. Not once during the election did Labour contest that interpretation of Corbyn’s words. Thousands of young people will have voted Labour believing this to be a cast iron guarantee.

Last night on Newsnight, Angela Rayner confirmed the pledge had been downgraded to an "ambition" and not a "promise".

Take note students, they were having you on…

Wheres yuour link? This is what you already provided a link to

"“First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.”

http://www.nme.com/news/jeremy-corb...ened-student-debt-2082478#JsVSzK46YMqELK4i.99

Of course under all your cant is the truth that you cant go near

That Jeremy actualy cares about those who struggle whether that be Students, Nurses,The Disabled and Vunerable Families torn apart, Our Public & Social Services and of course our NHS which came into being because of the Labour Party and which the Tory,s have done there best to undermine.to make privatisation easier down the line to line the pockets of them and there low life mates

Well not without a fight you dont You robbing Tory Barstards We are many you are few

Russell Group urges rethink on student loan interest rate
Body representing UK’s elite universities says new 6.1% rate is ‘very high’ and out of touch with commercial lending

The Russell Group, which represents the UK’s most prestigious universities, has joined calls to make funding fairer for students, urging the government to look again at the 6.1% interest rate on loans due to come into force this September.

Dr Tim Bradshaw, the Russell Group’s acting director, described the rate as “very high” and “out of touch” with commercial lending rates. “A reassessment here now seems highly appropriate as inflation starts to return,” he said.

He also called on the government to reconsider the £21,000 income threshold at which graduates become liable to start paying back their loan, suggesting a higher level would enable them to keep more money early in their careers.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jul/18/russell-group-urges-rethink-student-loan-interest-rate

You've encapsulated the situation rather neatly, Dom. If we, as tax-payers, are going to subsidise tertiary education, then it has to be on our terms: our money, our conditions. One of those has to be that degree-holders who wish to work abroad must repay their education costs first and another is that those who drop-out and/or fail to take their final exams must repay their fees. Furthermore, only courses that have concrete and proven employment opportunities at the end of them should be tax-payer funded.

If the Government used part of my taxes on ensuring that kids come out of university debt free, then I would say "Thankyou, Government, for investing my taxes in the country's future".

I benefitted from the Government paying my fees in the nineties, and the treasury is benefitting from my tax payments which are higher because of that education. The Government of the time invested in me and others. The argument now is, why shouldn't today's students reap the same rewards?

I agree with some of this ,for example graduates moving abroad don't benefit the country, so should they repay some of their fees? But, how long is the qualifying period? Person A could spend the first 6 years of employment in Australia, but move back and work in the U.K. for the next 30. Person B could stay in the U.K. for the first 6 years, and move to Canada and work there for the next 30.

I don't agree with the last part, it is ambiguous and is elitist.

Sometimes the costs of applying such restrictions outweigh the benefits.

But, like you say, there should be some conditions imposed.

Elitist? Why should the tax-payer fund something that has absolutely no practical application? And what about those students who use university as somewhere to be, something to do before getting married and staying at home? Should the tax-payer be expected to should that burden too?