Another 'kick in the teeth' by UKVI...

are you suggesting its our old friend john back again ?

So...do we want spoil another thread?

What's that saying about bad pennies?

Is that the 'royal we'?

Wèeeeeeeee

When it comes to the "complexity" of these cases, I'd wager that few members on this forum present any tricky ethical dilemmas or political hot potatoes like Al Fayed and his passport or Abramovich's working visa. Yes, some cases are easier than others when it comes to ticking all the boxes, but I doubt there is much that would have an deciding officer gnashing his teeth for days on end - let alone months.

My guess is that if a case has some grey areas with one of the requirements (ie, salary/benefits), it is forwarded to another officer. If another area is not clear cut (rented accommodation?), off the application goes to another adjudicator. Each time, the application is at risk of getting lost in the shuffle.

This is the sort of inefficient process I can fully envisage in the public sector where there is little accountability to customers or shareholders until some scandal drags it through the media.

Whatever the complexities of UKDJ's case, I would be shocked if it warrants 4 month's of decision making. After spending around £1.5k, a yes or no decision should have been made ages ago.

As you say it's your guess.
It might not be far from correct in terms of moving from one adjudicator to another.
Added to this you may have where UKVI have asked for disclosures from a 3rd party and the request is sat on some other private or public sector bods desk

You're right. It's a guess. But I simply cannot fathom any other way how UKVI can suggest it may take 4 months to decide an application from Joe Public('s fiancée).

Totally agree. Probably the best post of the thread.

Oh to be popular!

Yes. It is a guess but a no brainer all the same. Totally agree.

No. Because I totally agree with the post. Sorry.

So your flippnt theory that they are propping up table legs is what then?

I can. How about the sheer volume of work all now being done by one centre in the UK when applications were previously assessed more locally by regional centres including in Manila, Hong Kong, New Delhi and Washington?

The UK is by no means the worst. I understand the US has that dubious reputation.

Tongue in cheek line that is not likely to be too far from the truth.

I do not agree that it is all the fault of the applicants, which seems to be your message.

Sorry

You surely would know that there are instances where the applicants have presented a sound case with the right supporting evidence and still been refused. In those cases the UKVI have clearly been at fault. They at the UKVI are not the epitome of the highest professionalism and if you do your research you will find that.

that hits the nail right fair and square on the head. the whole deal collapsed when it was moved to sheffield.

Would also agree. The reviews since it was centralised can leave you with little other conclusion.

It is just disappointing as the whole (costly) process should be self funding and profitable whilst delivering a quick service.

We are not talking about highly trained surgeons being sought to carry out heart bypass procedures. We just need a bunch of literate and competent pen pushers (I include myself in this definition) who can't be too hard to find in South Yorkshire (I went to uni in Sheffield and confirm most inhabitants were pretty much normal).

For sure. There is definitely something going wrong in the structure and process somewhere. Something organisationally adrift with the errors I have seen in the past and some have been schoolboy errors on the part of the UKVI, either that or incompetence or both.

I have seen the detail of many refusals and therefore know this to be the case. Sometimes the applicants have had to take the UKVI to court, which most often ended up with the UKVI capitulating in the end. The guys and girls got their visas eventually but at a “detriment to their health”. (Used inverted commas there just in case someone takes it too literally).

To paraphrase your words: complete rubbish.

That's not what Mattcube said nor did he imply that. What he said was that some applications will not be simple and straightforward and will require additional checking and additional waiting time for information from third parties.

They are not the infallible super-humans that you seem to expect; you're not paying for such so you certainly won't receive that standard. They are normal working folk who have to look at computer screens all day long, cross-reference and check evidence and very likely decipher illegible handwriting as well. Given that Sheffield now processes all visa applications from everywhere in the world, I am slightly surprised that they're aiming at turning settlement visa applications around within 120 days.

Just be thankful that UKVI has not (yet) been privatised and within the purview of an outfit like Capita.