Brexit and Scexit

It really is about time the remainers woke up to the fact we are leaving the EU and move on.

It appears that is unfortunately not the case for one or two members of this forum.

Personally, considering the provocation, jibes (you (collective) often reference Methers in posts he hasn't joined) and pack mentality of the brexiteers (like musketeers, except it is Everyman for himself) - Methers has been quite restrained.

I don't watch Andrew Neil - I watch little on TV. However, it is fair to say that different people may find different insults more offensive than others. I could be more upset at being called a tit than a creep. Who knows? I suspect some faux outrage here though - we live on a world where being offended is something we absolutely have to indulge ourselves with.

As a brexiteer said to me (here?) - man up.

Again, a lot of talk about me and zero talk about the points being raised.

The amusing thing is, there's a lot of psychoanalysis being performed on here by people who are unlikely to be qualified in the field!

"Braving those angry skies
I remember well as the shadows fell
The light of hope in their eyes
And though I'm far away I still can hear them say
Thumb's up
For when the dawn comes up
There'll be bluebirds over
The white cliffs of Dover,
Tomorrow, just you wait and see"!!

There you go, trying to suppress freedom of speech again. See you later Lenin.

I agree with freedom of speech very much so, what I do not agree with is really unhelpful moaning about something that has happened and have to get on with regardless of the outcome.

I can say with all confidence that I would not have still been moaning about the outcome of the referendum if the remain side had won.

If you go back and re read the original Brexit thread (Before poll) you will be very aware of our arguments and views on a wide variety of matters regarding our views of leave or remain..
If you think I`m gonna go through that again with you here,you are very much mistaken!
It`s over...We are leaving the E.U..
Try to find a positive solution for Britain`s future and quit chucking your toys out the pram and having childish hissy fits because we won and you lost a democratically held ,national poll to leave forever the European union.
Grow up and grow a pair!

Transparent bitterness and angry response from a corrupt and failing institution completely underestimating the will and character of the British people!!
British territory..Keep out!


Tensions rise as EU says Spain has its 'full support' for Brexit power grab over Gibraltar

BRUSSELS today insisted that Spain has its "full support" over its shameless attempt to use the people of Gibraltar as a bargaining chip in the upcoming Brexit negotiations.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/787188/Brexit-news-EU-Commission-Spain-full-support-Gibraltar

Well, let us hope the Gibraltar issue doesn't escalate, at the end of the day the British citizens their want to remain British and I cannot see any Spanish rule being forced on them.

I wonder what Thatcher would have said about all this palaver!
Can we still raise a task force or did Brown sell it all,along with all our gold deposits?

Warning Theresa May 'would go to war' to defend Gibraltar as Defence Secretary Michael Fallon vows to 'protect' its sovereignty 'all the way'


Theresa May would go to war to defend Gibraltar in the same way Margaret Thatcher set out to reclaim the Falklands, a former Tory leader has claimed.

Michael Howard said Mrs May would show the 'same resolve' her predecessor did 35 years ago today when the Falklands War began.

The intervention came as Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon vowed to defend the Rock 'all the way'.

Mrs May spoke to Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo today to offer him reassurance Britain is 'absolutely dedicated to working with Gibraltar for the best possible outcome on Brexit'.

Mr Picardo earlier denied a split with No 10 while on a snap visit to London, insisting he had worked with Mrs May on 'tactical and strategic decisions'.

The row was triggered on Friday when Spain was handed an effective veto over the Brexit deal by the EU Council's draft negotiating guidelines said Madrid could exclude Gibraltar. The shock move opened a new front in diplomatic battle for Brexit.

It has been claimed Spain seized the advantage when Theresa May failed to specifically mention Gibraltar in her Article 50 letter on Wednesday - prompting suggestions of a rift with the peninsula's government.




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Former Tory leader Michael Howard today said Theresa May would go to war to defend Gibraltar in the same way Margaret Thatcher reclaimed the Falklands




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Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon, pictured on the Andrew Marr show today, vowed Britain would defend Gibraltar 'all the way' on the 35th anniversary of the Falklands War




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Theresa May has insisted Britain will stand up for Gibraltar after the Spanish were handed a veto on whether the Brexit deal applies to the territory

While a full-blown Falklands-style conflict is unlikely, Spanish ships regularly breach Gibraltar's territorial waters and are often met by Royal Navy ships.

Asked if Britain would defend Gibraltar as it did the Falklands, Sir Michael told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: 'We are going to look after Gibraltar - it is going to be protected all the way because the sovereignty of Gibraltar cannot be changed without the people of Gibraltar.

'They have been very clear they do not want to live under Spanish rule.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4372666/Fallon-vows-defend-Gibraltar-way.html#ixzz4dCb6LR75
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Which would be fine except that he is the one complaining about an ad hominem attack made by one of his ex-friends against the LibDem leader. He then proceeds to do exactly the same only worse - because his attacks are against forum members not a third party. There's a term for that and I'm certain that you know what it is.

Did you just quote the Express??? Really?

You just said Gibraltar's going nowhere. To be honest, I couldn't care less about Gibraltar. Although it is hilarious watching people claiming we had taken back control on Wednesday are losing control of their faculties today.

Is the answer patronizing or hypocrisy? Maybe you also need to practice what you preach - once you've put the faux outrage to one side.

What a waste of time that was. Essentially you won, you lost, yahboo sucks to you. It's a bit more complex than that! My balls are fully developed and functional btw - but thanks for your concern about my genitals. Not sure why you feel they are relevant to this though. Leading brexiteer Gove's face looks like a ballsac so maybe that's the relevance.

Wouldn't have happened with Thatcher because we'd never have had a referrendum in the first place.

I was no fan of Thatcher by any means, but she knew how to get what she wanted in Europe and leave us in a position of strength within the EU.

All the concessions she got are now gone for ever as has any position of strength that we once had.

Spot on, Graham! Almost all our vetoes were given away by her successors - Major, Blair and Cameron. The one or two that remain are more or less worthless and no different to every other country's...

Fake news you think?

Britain has voted to leave and triggered Article 50. I think it's a mistake.

Having a different opinion - being one of 48% of people instead of one of 52% of people shouldn't warrant the abuse that it does.

I'm pro-Europe. Pro-change in Europe. Anti-federalism. Anti-European Army. Pro and anti many aspects of the EU.

I think reform was necessary and a reeling-in of the EU's ambitions. I think Britain benefited greatly from its membership. I think Britain could have led the reforms and helped to achieve a much better EU.

But not from without. Now they just look 'chippy'.

I personally need freedom of movement, having already exercised my rights and brought Melody here under the Directive. If I lose my EU citizenship, Melody as a non-EU family member of a European citizen loses hers. She has no right to live in the UK. I have no right to live in the Philippines. That's the main reason why I would have preferred to remain in.

But how is Brexit perceived here in Spain? All this Vera Lynn, Bulldog Spirit jingoism isn't going down well. Claims of other European nations considering their own exit don't appear to be anything more than froth and spittle. Sabre-rattling imbeciles chatting sh1t about Gibraltar and warships really don't realise the negative feelings they are generating.

The Costas of Spain are going to be a battlefield this summer. It will all 'kick off'

Things really need to calm down.