Brexit and Scexit

That is complete twaddle! Long before the referendum Cameron and others said that, in the event of Brexit, the acquis would need to be embodied into the corpus of UK law - and then amended or repealed as necessary by the British Parliament in its own time - and that the only courts holding sway would be those sitting in the United Kingdom. Our subservience to the whims of the ECJ will cease on or before the 29th March 2019. You may not like it but nevertheless that is what will happen.

But what I really find strange is your party's attitude regarding the whole question of Brexit. It was your own Nick Clegg who took out full and half page advertisements pledging that if elected into government, the LibDems would hold a referendum on Europe. Less than a year later, they joined in coalition with the Conservatives and promptly did a U-turn by opposing a referendum. Oh and they promised in their 2010 manifesto to do away with tuition fees; a promise promptly broken when they came to power. That makes Clegg about as trustworthy as Blair and it suggests that LibDems make pledges solely to garner electoral support, pledges they have no intention of honouring. You and the SNP have one thing in common - "it's all about us!"

You arch-advocates of the Remain campaign only have yourselves to blame for failing to score a victory. You were so smugly convinced that you'd win the vote that you didn't even bother to try. On here and elsewhere questions were raised about the benefits of remaining. The questions were asked but remain unanswered. You expected us to accept the status quo without question or explanation. Instead you bombarded us with doom and gloomy predictions about how World War III would break-out, Sterling would fall through the floor, the economy would nose-dive, banks and other financial institutions would flee abroad, unemployment and prices would rise and predictions of capital flight: in other words, Project Fear. "Six Jobs" Osborne and "No Jobs" Cameron did you proud. To assure victory, you even stacked the odds in your favour by allowing Expats living abroad to vote as well as Irish and Commonwealth citizens living in the UK and by extending the voter registration period to within a couple of weeks (or so) of polling day. Despite all this, you lost and now you have the cheek to blame us for your failure!

Also in the FT - David Davis, Britain's Brexit street fighter.

"This unnecessary, unjustified and unacceptable discriminatory proposed singling out of Gibraltar and its people was the predictable machination of Spain that the people of Gibraltar foresaw and one of the reasons we voted so massively to remain in the EU. 'This is a disgraceful attempt by Spain to manipulate the European Council for its own narrow, political interests. Brexit is already complicated enough without Spain trying to complicate it further."

Those are the words of Gibraltar's chief minister Fabian Picardo upon learning that President Tusk has given Spain a veto over whatever emerges as a Brexit deal as it would apply to Gibraltar. This is apparently contained within the small print of Tusk's nine pages of instructions to the negotiators.

According to the chair of the all-party parliamentary group on Gibraltar, Jack Lopresti: "It's predictable that given Spain's previous behaviour, they would try and use Brexit as a fig leaf for troublemaking over the status of Gibraltar. It is shameful that the EU have attempted to allow Spain an effective veto over the future of British sovereign territory, flying in the face of the will of the people of Gibraltar. The UK Government's position is clear and will stand. There will be no negotiation over the status of Gibraltar."

You still either pretend that you don't understand the role of the ECJ, or you really don't understand the role of the ECJ.

Go away, do some research and come back and talk to the grown ups when you do understand the nature of a non-tariff barrier. Until then, stop wasting our time.

You Brexit jerks walked straight into this elephant trap. Of course, being the devious creeps that you are, you are trying to shift the blame onto anyone else.

Won't work: this is 100% your doing.

Big Yawn.

I'm not at all surprised you're losing your friends. You're becoming a very bitter old man.

As you appear incapable of friendly discussion but prefer to be patronising, insulting and talk at us, rather than with us, I'm ignoring all further contributions from you.

It would be prescient if it were (a) timely and (b) true. As the negotiations haven't commenced yet and are unlikely to do so before September, it is wishful thinking on the part of its "artist". And I thought Remoaners were supposed to possess greater intellects and be more highly educated than us Leavers; judging by the "Dear Brexiters" message, I am obviously mistaken. The fact this forum's arch-Remoaner gives you a "winner's badge" for that post merely reinforces that view!

How are you on irony? Nick Clegg, whose mother is Dutch and whose wife is a Spaniard, is an ardent supporter of migration: he can't get enough of it. But he has got a bit of a reputation for flip-flopping, possibly in a desperate attempt to rebuild his party's flagging fortunes. So Clegg loves migration but then he gets himself photographed alongside a poster listing the ten 'pledges' that the LibDems intend to hold the government to account during the Brexit process. "It's crucial that we hold the Government to account over their Brexit contract with the British public", they say on their Open-Britain web site.

And what is Pledge Number 10?

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So Clegg is going to insist that the Tory government drastically reduces immigration that he ardently supports! You couldn't make it up!

Your low grade graphic shows exactly why Britain is definitely better out of the EU, the UK has been taking it up the @rse from the EU for too long.

The EU has cost our country billions of pounds already, and it demands even more, just so we can leave.

What has the EU ever done to raise the international standing of our country, our culture, and our people?

Time to send in the big guns then

Here we go Andrew, cheer up and help select the new design for the British passport for circulation after we have left the EU.

I would like us to revert back to the old dark blue version but a little smaller and more flexible like the present one.

I doubt you'll go for the passport design showing that 52% voted out and 48% voted remain, may be too much of a reminder for you that we live in a democratic country

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39455495

Just don't put it to the public vote, a "Boaty McBoatface" style passport would not be a good idea.

I agree with the old Dark Blue colour, that's the winner for me.

I watched that on the news about the boat , like you said, do not put it to a public vote.

Looking at the clip I posted on possible designs there is some shocking ones, we agree, dark blue it is

I wonder... if the SNP get their way ?

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Elephant trap? You may think so, having read the papers this morning I disagree. What Tusk's draft guidelines say is this: "After the United Kingdom leaves the Union, no agreement between the EU and the UK may apply to the territory of Gibraltar without the agreement between the Kingdom of Spain and the United Kingdom." In other words, they are ensuring Spain will not use Gibraltar as a negotiating chip in the negotiations over the future relationship between the UK and the EU: Gibraltar will not be part of that discussion, but reserved for bilateral talks between the UK and Spain. There is absolutely no mention of Gibraltar's sovereignty in the guidelines.

There has been a little too much bad press coverage over the Gibraltar issue, I don't like how Howards words were misinterpreted following his BBC interview especially by ginger nut Farron.

Far too much reading between the lines going on Gibraltar, of course we are not going to war with Spain, and of course it will remain British.

What a thoroughly nasty little sore loser you are.

Spain needs our money !

He has a point though. There's been plenty of name calling and assumptions on your side too.

Reading about Gibraltar and how some Tory rags are comparing navy sizes, it is now apparent that the drawbridges are being pulled up and we can all dust the cobwebs off Vera Lynn and start singing about Dover again.

Turkey needs our arms.