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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. JohnAsh
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    JohnAsh Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

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  2. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

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  3. JohnAsh
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    JohnAsh Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Just ordered a Vit d supplement via Amazon. 25ug per tablet. Both Mrs Ash and myself will take them daily. She needs them as much as I do.
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  4. oss
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    That was the dosage recommended by the study ten years ago, in people who were deficient colds and flu's diminished by 89% in people who had baseline sufficient Vitamin D there was also a 21% improvement in colds and flu. The effect was found in the control group who took the daily supplement and a bit less so in those who took a larger dose less frequently.
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  6. oss
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    Yeah that's a PCR test and it is a step in the right direction given that traditional lab equipment would be much more expensive and complex, but again lets be realistic, these have to be manufactured at scale and the government has ordered 5.8 million cartridges that's not going to happen overnight and 8.3 billion required tests v 5.8 million, it is a tiny drop in the ocean and while really good it's not going to work as a way of creating a gate to an office, are we all going to sit outside for 90minutes to get the result, no that is clearly not the use case for this device.

    But yes it is a welcome development.
  7. JohnAsh
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    “The test is currently being used successfully in eight London hospitals – including cancer wards, A&E and maternity departments at St Mary's Hospital in Paddington, Charing Cross Hospital, West Middlesex University Hospital, Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, Royal Hospital Chelsea (home of the Chelsea Pensioners), Queen Charlotte’s and Chelsea Maternity Hospital, the Renal Transplant Centre at Hammersmith Hospital and the Tower Hamlets Centre for Mental Health at Mile End Hospital. The CovidNudge test is now in the process of being deployed across the NHS nationwide, in urgent patient care and elective surgery settings, plus out-of-hospital locations.“

    Might be useful at an airport though. Or before boarding a cruise ship. This is only the start. And the technology will get smarter as we go. Then up to the next level.
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  8. oss
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    As was pointed out one machine can only do 16 tests a day as each one takes 90 minutes, excellent for a hospital Doctor who needs to know what to do with the patient who is coughing all over the place but not so good for more active busier locations.

    And looking at the cartridge it uses the individual tests are not going to be cheap, but the really good thing is that this is a portable self enclosed micro lab it won't be limited to just Covid this would work with doing PCR on other viruses by using cartridges with other chemical pack combinations, so it provides a new resource that will help a lot for the next pandemic.
  9. aposhark
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    This virus hasn't affected anyone that I know adversely to any great degree in a medical sense.
    Peoples' mental states have suffered for sure, the first wave came and the second is on the way.

    We are all working flat-out at work and have done so since the beginning of the year. I mean FLAT-OUT.
    People still sit at keyboards and buy everything without moving. :lol:

    It has been like Christmas peak EVERY week for many months.
  10. JohnAsh
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    I am seeing differing ends of the spectrum. Many people, particularly the elderly don’t want to go out. Even Mrs Ash isn’t so keen. We just bought Vit d via Amazon with delivery to the door!

    Did you manage a holiday @aposhark ?
  11. aposhark
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    No mate, haven't had a holiday for 7 years+
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  12. oss
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    They (Amazon) are an evil empire but they are incredibly good at what they do too :D

    This is just this month.

    I wanted a 4K copy of 2001 but at this price I thought what the hell get it, one of the few films I would keep forever and which I have bought several time in various formats.

    Buying rubbing alcohol in the Philippines is so ridiculously easy, you can get it anywhere, they probably don't make a point of drinking it :)

    Here it is a somewhat harder and I for one can only get it online, I bought two types, 70% is good for immediate Covid sterilisation and 100% is good for cleaning various electronic items, 100% will not kill virus particles immediately you need water in the mix.

    It bothers me having that amount of a volatile compound in the house from a fire viewpoint but at the same time it is very very useful in the days of Covid.


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  13. oss
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    Holiday as in care free and relaxed, me too Mike.
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  15. JohnAsh
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    So....the numbers with the virus are thought to have been so much bigger than the peak in March / April portrays owing to a lack of testing. So we are now told that as positive cases rise into October (50000 cases per day) to expect a significant increase in deaths.
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    and if there isnt ?
  17. oss
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    This is fairly clear, in March/April there were probably 100,000 cases a day, but they were reporting 5000 to 6000 a day because that was all the testing capacity they had, Dr John Campbell was saying this back in March that the real case numbers would be 10 times or more what we were detecting.

    At that time the positivity rate was huge, test someone with symptoms and most were positive.

    As testing capacity grew the positivity rate would have dropped, you would get more negatives overall.

    What they are saying now is that the testing data is showing an increase in rate of positive tests and that means we are back at the beginning of March almost.

    The reality is that this time round because of measures that have been taken the exponential curve has a slower growth rate, it is doubling every 7 days rather than figure of every 3 days we had back in March.

    Exponential expansion will still see it take off again if they do nothing, other countries saw things climbing again and stamped on it, ask yourself why Italy is not going the same way as France and Spain for one thing they didn't promote tourism over the summer most holiday destinations remained closed and from a track and trace viewpoint they are very disciplined now compared to our track and trace that looks barely fit for purpose.

    Italy has the schools going back very soon and more people returning to offices so their situation may change.
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    The only reason there will not be an increase in deaths is if they keep the infection away from vulnerable groups, if the measures we have taken are adhered to, if people stick to the rules, distancing, small groups, wearing masks, regular hand cleaning then we might get it under control.

    Reported today a greater proportion of women aged 20 to 40 are being admitted to hospital, they found that surprising given prior trends.

    We are back at the toe of the curve, exponential expansion is a fairly simple concept.

    Personally I don't have a lot of faith that people will stick to the rules.

    Going round a supermarket yesterday NO ONE was adhering to 2 metre distance rules, most were wearing masks yes, about 4 people in Lidl had the mask off their nose, I mean what's the ****ing point that is not even paying lip service.

    You watch people in supermarkets handling items and putting them back, sadly the people are tired and probably doubting the whole system, there are so many changes in the messaging and while the changes are driven to some extent by science it's not being explained well enough for most people.
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    Mattecube I have no need Trusted Member

    I see the panic buying of toilet rolls has started already!
    Plain stupidity
  20. oss
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    I have months worth, because I've always had months worth, at least for the last ten years I've never had less than 2 months supply in the house at any one time.

    I also have months worth of cleaning materials Fairy Liquid actually probably more than a years worth of Fairy Liquid, people don't use it correctly and usually waste it and get through a bottle faster then needed.

    I have enough toothpaste for 8 months right now.

    Panic buying now is ridiculous, as it should have been obvious to everyone that they needed to build and maintain stocks once this whole thing started.
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