General Election - June 8th

I don't think you will find many Tory voters going over to the Lib Dems just because of the referendum result, unlike you the majority have accepted the result and have moved on.

No crystal ball required, lets just revisit the thread on June 9th and see who was right.

Its interesting to see now on the news that political commentators are saying the Lib Dems might have made a big mistake by having Brexit at the top of their agenda in the election, people are starting to see that he is trying to go against the will of the people which is a big no no. Some even saying they might lose seats because of this

It just goes to show, there will be many twists and turns in the run up to the election, there is so much garbage being churned out in the media (a lot of which you post) at this time that it is very difficult to know exactly what is going on.

Are you anti-British?

As you seemingly accept that Brexit will happen, why not support the only party able to offer us a strong negotiating hand.

I hope you're right, Tim, I really do. As for the Lib-Dems, Gina Miller will ensure they win seats, not lose any. After all, the Coalition of Chaos must win this election for Britain to be saved and Scotland to be freed!

The Lib-Dems are model Europeans. The concept of patriotism to one's country is not encouraged, one should only be loyal to the Union - the European Union. Therefore everything that they do and say - and that includes trying to cancel Brexit by whatever means - is with the EU in mind, sod Britain and the British.

I find it a little worrying when I hear people saying they are against the Monarchy, the same Monarchy that we have rallied behind in the time of war and hardship over the last few hundred years.

Can anybody really imagine fighting for a Europe under one flag?

It should also not be forgotten that Royal tourism brings in a lot of money for the UK too, well over the £50million or so it costs to maintain the Monarchy each year.

I agree but they would say that the Monarchy is an expensive and unnecessary anachronism in the twenty-first century. And look at the number of asylum-seekers that could be housed in Buckingham Palace, St James' Palace, Windsor Castle and Sandringham. Don't you think President Mandelson would draw as much tourist attention as the Queen?

Well ... May can definitely kiss goodbye to a landslide and probably her majority too. It's her plan to raise taxes on the middle classes that have done for her. Her poll rating is dropping like a stone.

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Bye-bye Mrs May, hello Jeremy.

There is some fun to be had on this thread, so I will attempt to add to the gaiety of nations by respectfully pointing out that come Brexit New Zealand will be able to sell 51,000 tons of lamb per year to the EU free of tariff but the UK will be able to sell ... none!

But farmers don't vote Tory, do they...

There is some fun to be had on this thread, so I will attempt to add to the gaiety of nations by respectfully pointing out that come Brexit New Zealand will be able to sell 51,000 tons of lamb per year to the EU free of tariff but the UK will be able to sell ... none!

But farmers don't vote Tory, do they...

Very weird multiple posts.

The FT had a good and thoughtful article today on why the Tories have to pretend to be in danger of losing in order to get their voters out.

Well, one of the newspapers has her up to 50% now, that's why I mentioned earlier about all the conflicting news reports that are flying around surrounding the election.

Again, we will no more once the party manifestos are published.

It is wise not to be complacent, I really have no idea what the turnout will be which is an interesting topic in itself.

There's no need to pretend: those of us whose brain cells aren't in a permanent alcoholic haze or knocked senseless by our 12 bores on grouse moors know that Mrs May has made the Mother Of All Mistakes by calling this General Election. And the Tory Party will suffer as a result and be consigned to the political wilderness including by its own supporters.

But the country will suffer far, far more with Corbyn in Number 10 and that should make you petrified for your children's future. I will be advising my children to seek their fortunes in either The US, Australia or New Zealand.

My children have already made their minds up. As you know, they are of mixed race, half Filipino, and they arrived at their decisions soon after the murder of Jo Cox. One for Canada, one for New Zealand. The US is not terribly attractive to the young, at the moment, and the older of the two has seen quite a bit of it and reached an informed decision. It is ahead of Venezuela, in his list of places he has been to, but not by much..

I doubt that British farmers will lose too much sleep over that when the French routinely set fire to live sheep exports from the UK. Compared to Welsh lamb, the New Zealand product is very second rate and Europe is welcome to it. I've yet to find any lamb here in Malta or any meat from the UK come to that.

Fair taxation isn't the likes of Amazon, Google, Starbucks etc paying minimal taxes on their earnings.

Canada? Hmmm, that surprises me although it shouldn't because it is rather a Liberal country. But not too many opportunities there, I would have thought. New Zealand has my vote, particularly the east coast of the North Island - Gisbourne(?) - very picturesque.

I've got an idea that will save you a lot of time in the future.

Copy and paste the following and save as a text document called "answer1.txt"

We won, you lost, yah boo sucks to you.

Copy and paste the following and save as a text document called "answer2.txt"

Everyone else has moved on and accepted the result, you should too.

Then, just rotate the replies to anything I have posted, and call it a debate. It will save you a lot of time, and it will save me a lot of time too. Everything else is futile with you, because it's either black or it's white.

Of course, Brexit WILL happen - does that mean I cannot oppose it? I doubt if it is going to be the Brexit that many thought they were going to get.

Furthermore, you're telling me to support the Tories. Maybe you haven't read my previous posts, it offers you a clue as to why I will not vote Tory.

If you really want me to go through the reasons again, I am happy to do so. Under the cloak of Brexit, the Tories have a number of very nasty policies that include bypassing Parliament in rewriting laws that directly affect you and me. You may be comfortable with that, I'm not.

Hammond and May know that it will be a hard Brexit with probably nothing in it for Britain (as far as the EU is concerned) at the end of it all. The EU would rather forego its trade with the UK than give ground. In addition to the £50+ Billion we will have to give Europe - in installments plus interest and only in Euros - Brexit will cost the UK an extra £10 Billion which needs to be raised before 2019. There will be a tax hike after the election and probably another next year - on income tax and NHI - which means that the middle classes will be hardest hit. The Tories won't raise Corporation Tax because it will hurt their mates and also be counter-productive: affected businesses will simply relocate, to Ireland, say, or Luxembourg.

And you thought Labour was the high taxation party!